which 175 or 200 for a vipermax 6.5

Hugh Jardon · 28 October 2005, 12:14

I am looking at what lump to put on my vipermax when i get it, i can go for 200 hp so is quite open although i am having the transom altered for just long shaft rather than extra long

here are the ones i am considering

suzuki df175....the new one when it is out, like it and seems good compromie and i think would have acceleration as good as 150 opti if not better
suzuki df200...no to this engine, too heavy at 263kg and only avail in extra long
yam hpdi or max 200....waiting to get prices on one
honda....dont seem to have a suitable 175 and 200 tooooooo heavy
mercury opti 175 or 200......
i know a few guys have 150s, could you do with more power, would a 200 be better if was an option....would a 175 be better than a 200 as an overall package would 175 be more economical than 200
etec 175 or 200....seem a bit pricy but seem like good engines, wont go for HO versions as not needed and pricy
johnson.....just not keen really, dont know why

any of you that have gone thru this and done some rational thinking, your input would be much appreciated here

thanks

Nick Hearne · 28 October 2005, 12:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

I am looking at what lump to put on my vipermax when i get it, i can go for 200 hp so is quite open although i am having the transom altered for just long shaft rather than extra long

here are the ones i am considering

suzuki df175....the new one when it is out, like it and seems good compromie and i think would have acceleration as good as 150 opti if not better
suzuki df200...no to this engine, too heavy at 263kg and only avail in extra long
yam hpdi or max 200....waiting to get prices on one
honda....dont seem to have a suitable 175 and 200 tooooooo heavy
mercury opti 175 or 200......
i know a few guys have 150s, could you do with more power, would a 200 be better if was an option....would a 175 be better than a 200 as an overall package would 175 be more economical than 200
etec 175 or 200....seem a bit pricy but seem like good engines, wont go for HO versions as not needed and pricy
johnson.....just not keen really, dont know why The 4 strokes are Suzuki's re badged!
any of you that have gone thru this and done some rational thinking, your input would be much appreciated here

thanks

I do like my Opti, but I do like the look of the E tec !

ADS · 28 October 2005, 12:40

A four stroke is unlikely to match the acceleration of an injected/HPDI 2-stroke, unless its a Verado but these are supercharged.
I think its unlikely that you would get a deal on a Suzy 175 because they are too new.
My money would go on an E-tec 175 or 200. A Verado would be cool but the E-tecs seem to be the way to go.
If you have set your heart on a 4-stroke get a Suzuki, they seem to have cornered the market, however I think its a 2-stroke that best suits the character of the Osprey (good choice by the way).
Give these people a ring for E-tecs.

http://www.landjmarine.co.uk they are in New Milton, Hampshire.

And finally you can't go wrong with an Opti, I think these are proven now.

regards

Alex

Milan · 28 October 2005, 12:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

I am looking at what lump to put on my vipermax when i get it, i can go for 200 hp so is quite open although i am having the transom altered for just long shaft rather than extra long

here are the ones i am considering

suzuki df175....the new one when it is out, like it and seems good compromie and i think would have acceleration as good as 150 opti if not better
suzuki df200...no to this engine, too heavy at 263kg and only avail in extra long
yam hpdi or max 200....waiting to get prices on one
honda....dont seem to have a suitable 175 and 200 tooooooo heavy
mercury opti 175 or 200......
i know a few guys have 150s, could you do with more power, would a 200 be better if was an option....would a 175 be better than a 200 as an overall package would 175 be more economical than 200
etec 175 or 200....seem a bit pricy but seem like good engines, wont go for HO versions as not needed and pricy
johnson.....just not keen really, dont know why

any of you that have gone thru this and done some rational thinking, your input would be much appreciated here

thanks

Hugh Phone and speak to Ian at Liverpool power Boats 01519441163 tell him Milan recommended you speak to him about your proplem believe me if you do nothing else but speak to him it wont be a wasted call he fitted my 225 Evinrude Etec this guy knows his stuff trust me he will give you the best advice I know

Searider · 28 October 2005, 14:50

I would probably go for a 175 - possibly opti as that's what I already have. Same weight as a 150.
200 is heavier and weight kills performance and might not be good for balance and handling.

Are you sure you'll have enough freeboard at the stern with a lower transom and a heavy 200?

Why have you elected to shorten it?

nugent · 28 October 2005, 15:40

i originally wanted a 175 opti like rocking horse poo, they all go to the forces, expect a long wait barrus told me it would take for ever with no confirmed delivery date. but basically the same engine as the 150 but more horses for the same wight and look

Hugh Jardon · 28 October 2005, 16:00

i decided to get the transom adjusted to take a long shaft engine rather than an extra long shaft engine

keeps the c of g lower and most engine choices come in long shaft so i seem fine

Hugh Jardon · 28 October 2005, 16:01

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Originally Posted by nugent

i originally wanted a 175 opti like rocking horse poo, they all go to the forces, expect a long wait barrus told me it would take for ever with no confirmed delivery date. but basically the same engine as the 150 but more horses for the same wight and look

the 175 and 200 etecs are options now as had a few good conversations and everyone has good words to say about etecs it would seem

so i might be tempted

Petrov · 28 October 2005, 18:36

Yamaha 200 VMAX HPDI fast, fun for that boat

Flavio · 28 October 2005, 19:09

How about an E-Tec 200HO? Nice blue colour and nice cowl graphics and a hi-speed gearcase. Only available in longshaft.

Mollers · 28 October 2005, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

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i know a few guys have 150s, could you do with more power.

Who are these guys?!! We love our 150's, don't we Nuge.

Hugh Jardon · 28 October 2005, 21:56

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Originally Posted by Mollulnan

Who are these guys?!! We love our 150's, don't we Nuge.

actually i meant......could you do with more power than a 150? if given the option would more power be better?

nugent · 28 October 2005, 22:03

would not be fair for me to comment, not tried her yaet, but me finks its more than good enougth for the job,

that magazine article i gave you chris. reckons its the best engine choice for the rib,,

bogib · 28 October 2005, 22:09

I would go for the Verado, used to do a lot with FICHT (before E-Tech) but after trying the Verado that is the engine and I am having one on my 600XS-Arctic (275)

Bogi

Mollers · 29 October 2005, 08:15

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

actually i meant......could you do with more power than a 150? if given the option would more power be better?

I think that there is a danger of being "Power crazy". Considering that all outboards have a similar top rev range. If it's out and out speed that you're after, then yes you can run perhaps a higher pitched prop with more HP.But, when you have 6.5m Rib, running it's max HP engine and propped up, the slightest bit of sea and you won't be running it flat out unless you have balls of steel. On the other hand extra power is good when regularly carrying a boatfull of people, divers etc. How often do we run WOT? The fuel useage goes into orbit. Race prepped 6.5m Vipermax's ran 150's, which begs a question.

Nick Hearne · 29 October 2005, 09:59

My 5.75m with a 100 hp was just fine it would push 37 knots on a good day!
But now I have the 150 hp Opti so far 46 knots which is fun but a can now cruse at say 30 to 35 knots at a far more economical pace, in stead of 20 knots with the 100!
So for me I now can dump the family & have a blast on my own & still cruse at 30 knots with out drinking lots of fuel.

Searider · 29 October 2005, 13:12

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

i decided to get the transom adjusted to take a long shaft engine rather than an extra long shaft engine

keeps the c of g lower and most engine choices come in long shaft so i seem fine

Fair enough.

My transom is for a normal longshaft and there isn't much freeboard at the stern. My tubes are mounted very high though!

Could always do with more power. 175 would be good for me.

Jimbob · 29 October 2005, 17:38

I would say 175 is plenty of power for a boat this size, we have a 200 on our 7.5 and trimed is plenty.............unless you want to be rocket man.

We dont often get to top speed, so i would go for an engine with mid range torque for when you get into the chop.

I would go for an ETEC but then i do have an Evinrude FITCH, its been good to us

Seaharrier · 29 October 2005, 18:39

If you can wait some more weeks, go for the new E-Tec 200HP witch will only weight 190 kg. That is 100 kg less than the Verado. On a vipermax 6.5 that can make a serious difference.

The picture is of a viper max 6.5 with a E-Tec 225 H.O. It goes like hell!

Hugh Jardon · 29 October 2005, 21:17

i must admit that the etec 200 is looking more and more favorable, the speed angle does not worry me as this will be my slowest vehicle so i think the 200 will give me the reserve i am looking for

that is a fab picture, how come it has a 225 as they are only rated to 200 normally?