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23 July 2018, 11:39
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Make: Xs
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Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
Absolutely, too light on the nose is a bad thing, too heavy & you'll lose steering on the tow vehicle. It's all about balance. But to use an arbitrary 10% is wrong. E.g. The towing capacity of a Disco is 3500kg, this would give a nose weight of 350kg by your theory. Off the top of my head I think the max nose weight for a disco is 175kg, but I'll stand corrected on that, I know it's not 350kg.
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[emoji848] 90% of the time we’ll be towing with a discovery. I towed with the avensis to the north coast as it’s a lot more economical.
Would I be correct to assume the trailer may need adjusted to suit each vehicle?
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23 July 2018, 11:43
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Sometimes just adding or moving weight forward or aft will do, as mentioned above, every vehicle is different and my rough estimate of 10% isn’t really viable. Each manufacturer will have their own figure
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23 July 2018, 11:55
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Country: UK - N Ireland
Town: Armagh
Make: Xs
Length: 6m +
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Originally Posted by Nordburg2001
Sometimes just adding or moving weight forward or aft will do, as mentioned above, every vehicle is different and my rough estimate of 10% isn’t really viable. Each manufacturer will have their own figure
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https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/media/...oseweights.pdf
Quick google found this, nose weight of the disco looks like twice that of the avensis [emoji848].
Thanks all [emoji106]
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23 July 2018, 12:31
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Town: Easdale
Boat name: Miss Isle
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Length: 6m +
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You must have nose weight, too light and the back end of your trailer will drive the tow vehicle. You will only notice if the back end starts to fish tail it will be come virtually impossible to recover. I’d recommend as high nose weight as your tow ball will take but you can still manage if you need to lift the hitch. You can add more or reduce my packing and moving stuff in the boat. Fuel etc
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23 July 2018, 12:33
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: DF140a
MMSI: 235111389
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Originally Posted by Vinny31
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Your trailer hitch will also have a maximum nose weight, this may be less than the vehicle max nose weight. Just checked my hitch & the max is 150kg which is lower than the Disco max weight.
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23 July 2018, 13:17
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Town: north ayrshire
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I know the vehicle and hitch weights vary and i think the modern removable hitches have reduced nose weight capacity but I agree the more nose weight (up to a point) the more stable the trailer. I regularly tow a goods trailer and always try to load it so it sits the tow vehicle down a little on the arse and the trailer is usually stable.
Likewise my boat trailers i like to be on the max nose weight.
I guess its harder to judge if the tow vehicle has self levelling suspension though
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23 July 2018, 13:59
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Town: Armagh
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I’ll look into the nose weight and get it measured for my trailer , fwiw the setup towed well as pictured. It’s looking like a max nose weight of 75kg for the avensis.
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23 July 2018, 15:35
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Town: suffolk
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75kg nose weight on a 750kg trailer is fine ,but 350kg on a 3500kg trailer will see the front wheels off the ground maybe or some dangerous steering ability , go with common sense ,if you are reasonably fit and cant lift the towbar thats too heavy ,if you climb aboard the boat and stand next to the engine and the nose rises then its probhably too light ,have a juggle with those ideas or resort to the bathroom scales and a lump of wood ,
just getting back on post ,super looking setup !
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23 July 2018, 16:02
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Originally Posted by Orwell boy
75kg nose weight on a 750kg trailer is fine ,but 350kg on a 3500kg trailer will see the front wheels off the ground maybe or some dangerous steering ability , go with common sense ,if you are reasonably fit and cant lift the towbar thats too heavy ,if you climb aboard the boat and stand next to the engine and the nose rises then its probhably too light ,have a juggle with those ideas or resort to the bathroom scales and a lump of wood ,
just getting back on post ,super looking setup !
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Thanks [emoji106]
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23 July 2018, 23:42
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Country: UK - Wales
Town: N Wales Chester
Boat name: Mr Smith
Make: Humber
Length: 6m +
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This says a lot in pictures if never seen before.
https://youtu.be/4jk9H5AB4lM
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24 July 2018, 00:00
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Make: Northcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki V4 100
Join Date: Sep 2016
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That the clip I was talking about earlier![emoji106]
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24 July 2018, 07:24
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: DF140a
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Anyway, back on track, here's us on our way to Portugal via Spain & France.
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24 July 2018, 07:28
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Town: Easdale
Boat name: Miss Isle
Make: Solent 6.9
Length: 6m +
Engine: 225 optimax
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[emoji1][emoji106] loving the size of the antenna on the van Dave should get top reception with that . Hope you have a top trip [emoji41]
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24 July 2018, 07:45
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
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It's for the VHS[emoji6]
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24 July 2018, 14:13
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Town: Retford
Boat name: Spy-sea-one
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have a goodun dave plenty of pics on return
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24 July 2018, 20:49
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Country: UK - England
Town: Swindon
Boat name: Ballistic
Make: Ballistic
Length: 7m +
Engine: Yam 250 Yam 15
Join Date: May 2007
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Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
Anyway, back on track, here's us on our way to Portugal via Spain & France.
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Dave, what spec is the van, is it the 2.5 4 wheel version. Looks a great combo.
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24 July 2018, 20:55
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Town: Fort William
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Length: 5m +
Engine: Yamaha F115
Join Date: Mar 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
Anyway, back on track, here's us on our way to Portugal via Spain & France.
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'kin tidy!
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24 July 2018, 21:29
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Easdale
Boat name: Miss Isle
Make: Solent 6.9
Length: 6m +
Engine: 225 optimax
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While we are on boats and “campers” [emoji1]
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24 July 2018, 22:09
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: DF140a
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Dave, what spec is the van, is it the 2.5 4 wheel version. Looks a great combo.
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T6 t32 204ps 4motion DSG Highline on VB air suspension, full Dirty Weekender conversion. They only do a 2 litre 4 cyl engine now. The 2.5 was discontinued with the T5
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24 July 2018, 22:16
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Town: Swindon
Boat name: Ballistic
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Length: 7m +
Engine: Yam 250 Yam 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
T6 t32 204ps 4motion DSG Highline on VB air suspension, full Dirty Weekender conversion. They only do a 2 litre 4 cyl engine now. The 2.5 was discontinued with the T5
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Great combo to have. I thought the rig looked a bit big for a 1.9tdi.
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