AJ's Stag Do! Part Deux!

[willk]

Originally Posted by Boats&Outboards

Did the radio it in

Surely they couldn't? RNLI crew don't carry personal VHFs OR PLBs. They just have a single shot flare on their belts. This is by no means the first time this has happened to them and on one occasion the crew were fortunate to be rescued after quite some time in the water. That said, they have to train. In Ireland they have to report in every 15 minutes to the CG on VHF.

[HUMBER P4VWL]

Originally Posted by PeterM

Yep...I'm a train...got hours to have fun.....

Choo choo!!!

I presume you mean "on" a train. LOL

Been there myself, sod all to do but fish .....

[HUMBER P4VWL]

Originally Posted by matt h

Seems to be the people who shout the loudest do the least boating!!

The truth hurts. I can't get on the water so much so my only outlet is what you guys do and commenting on it. Over 3k posts of rubbish on the interweb. Time i should have been spending trying to actually move the Cardinal bouy.........

I disagree with pulling the videos. They're great to watch and if they prompt people to criticise, who cares...

[PeterM]

Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL

I presume you mean "on" a train. LOL

Been there myself, sod all to do but fish .....

Ah yep, but being a train could be fun. Typo as I was minding the gap between the platform and train....I made it. No need to call for help....snigger..

[Poly]

Right - I've had some complaints about this thread. I really don't understand why it created such response. I have edited one post that overstepped the mark a little. However I'm not going to rewrite history or remove posts where people have questioned the wisdom of others - this is a discussion forum, anyone who posts here is inviting other members to discuss it with them not simply to agree with them.

There are almost certainly useful lessons for a lot of people here:

- recovering the boat was easier than I expected
- understanding the dynamics of the capsize would be interesting
- learning how to avoid your outboard dying in difficult seas would be useful
- considering what can be learned, even from your armchair, about how to respond (e.g. I think a polite, non-distress call to the CG might have been wise and would have saved time if it had suddenly deteriorated, but might also have prevented any distant observer who called it in launching a helo).

This is not the first time someone has capsized on ribnet, but it might be the first time the whole process including capsize and recovery has been captured on video for everyone else to share - can the whole community not benefit from that? I'm sure those involved are big enough to deal with some gentle banter, and perhaps learn from the discussion.

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by Avocet

I suspect that the truth is that the Cornish RNLI were wreckless but not reckless!

The thing is, us Westcountry boys spent younger years learning how not to turn our boats over rather than learning how to spell.

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by AJ.

As Humber P4VWL said all this does it stop people posting due to a fear of negative comments

Or....., maybe some are afraid to pass comment for fear of being ridiculed by those present at the time??

Solent power.

[PeterM]

Originally Posted by Mollers

Solent power.

Technically we weren't in the Solent....

[Nick Hearne]

Looks like you all had a good laugh and managed to sort your selves out just fine!
But I’m surprised that Mat has not managed to do this before now as the wave jumping and wheelies he pulls end up with stern and out board landing first which sooner or later end up with a stalled engine which isn’t good in these conditions as the capsize shows.
I have called in an capsize on the bar in Salcombe to the coast guard before now and they sent out the life boat which towed them in upside down making no attempt to right the rib.
I also know someone who liked to pulling wheelies in a large Boston whaler, he ended up submerging the nice Yamie 4st on the back ending in a engine rebuild and it wasn’t even his!!

People do lots of pointless things in there lives some with more risk than others, well what is the point in jumping out of a plane or climbing up a mountain?
Have fun, be safe and be well equipped

[AJ.]

Originally Posted by Mollers

Or....., maybe some are afraid to pass comment for fear of being ridiculed by those present at the time??

Solent power.

I'm not sure that quite stacks up, I think most Ribnet members know the people who were present are not the type of people to ridicule others. In fact quite respectful to others on Ribnet but do give gentle banter to the ones we know on a personal level.

I do not have a problem with people passing comment to provoke a well constructed debate I do have a problem with those who just provoke for the hell of it.

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by Nick Hearne

.....well what is the point in jumping out of a plane or climbing up a mountain?

Most participants in the above wouldn't push the envelope to the point where an 'event' was almost inevitable inorder to 'impress' others, 'coz they'd die.

[PeterM]

Originally Posted by Mollers

Most participants in the above wouldn't push the envelope to the point where an 'event' was almost inevitable inorder to 'impress' others, 'coz they'd die.

Yes..let's just stay at home and not do anything even mildly risky..

[Zippy]

Ok, i dont post here much any more for a number of reasons (not least i dont currently have a rib) but for whatever reason i did (and still do) feel this was an accident waiting to happen.

I am of course delighted that you managed to sort yourselves out with:

A) no physcal harm to anyone involved
B) no need to call out any other services (and therefore no physical harm to them either)
C) no damage to anyone elses property (other than prehaps the boat involved)

I do know that area of water well and whist the camera does flatten the sea, based on what i saw, it must have been quite lively there at the time! i guess the footage of the recovery (which is very intersting and well done!) is after the boat had drited out of the "race" hence why it looks much calmer.

I was coming through there in a 50 ft semi displacement motor boat a few weeks ago and we watched a 40 something ft sailing boat come VERY close to broaching in the breakers at the same spot. it is NOT a place to be taken lightly.

I absolutly agree that the each skipper is responsible for the safety of their crew and craft and in that respect, if someone wants to go play in the breaking waves its their call. Personally its not my bag and i wouldnt but then im getting on in years and dont want to leave my fiancee and two dogs without a family but thats my choice.

Was the video a demonstration of good boat handling in rough conditions? i suspect not or we wouldnt be disussing it in this light now. (and before we get onto the point "the engine stalled and lost 90% of its power" we should ask why, and what put it in that position in the first place... less than perfect boat handling resulting in swamping the engine..

Im 100% sure the people involved here didnt set out to flip the rib and its clear their actions post event were considered and appropriate. (less prehaps calling CG to tell them someone was going into the water under an upturned boat, personally i would have called it in but thats prehaps me being too cautious)

We all make mistakes, in my mind, being in that position in the first place would be a mistake for me but in the eyes of the skippers here, it wasnt. they have to live by their decisions and i am sure they are quite happy to do so despite my view and prehaps those of others.

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by PeterM

Yes..let's just stay at home and not do anything even mildly risky..

Again, another inane comment.

You're attempting to blur the lines between extreme sport and dicking about.

[PeterM]

Originally Posted by Mollers

Again, another inane comment.

You're attempting to blur the lines between extreme sport and dicking about.

Thanks for the words of judgement again

Hmmm- I think a lot of the worldwide population would regard all extreme sports as dicking about ?

Skateboarding - dicking about on wheels
Boat racing - dicking about on water
Diving - dicking about under water
Skydiving - dicking about in the air
Aircraft racing - dicking about in planes
Bike racing - dicking about on bikes
Car racing - dicking about in cars
Other fund stuff - just dicking about

in this case- no one go hurt , nothing got broken, no one suffered, no one had to leave work to come 'rescue' people that didn't need rescueing. If any of the above had happened it'd be a very differant thread.

If the CG had been called by a 'watcher' ..we all had radios we'd have heard thier broadcast for info. As it was ( again) - no one go hurt , nothing got broken, no one suffered, no one had to leave work to come 'rescue' people that didn't need rescueing.

It might even be able to (heavens forbid) be learned from - that a 4.7m rib can be righted - lifejackets work , killcords work, and that unless secured with a lanyard your handheld may sink....

Inane enough comments ?

[longjohn]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I do know that area of water well and whist the camera does flatten the sea, based on what i saw, it must have been quite lively there at the time! i guess the footage of the recovery (which is very intersting and well done!) is after the boat had drited out of the "race" hence why it looks much calmer.

The boat was towed upside down (with Matt safely on Grimalkin) even further from where it had drifted to a relatively flat bit of sea before any attempt to right it was made.

[biffer]

So he flipped his boat, so what, at least he's out there having fun, why don't you knockers get a life, they all knew what to do and no one got hurt, I bet you knockers don't do wake boarding or ringoing either, sound like you're all HSE disciples, what did you lot do last week end, at least they've got something to talk about, you other lot just sound like atmosphere sponges

[Neil Harvey]

Read all the posts and now I am bored!
Personally I think it was good to share, and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

What I am now most curious about is this:
What did Matt learn and what would he do differently next time?

[kerny]

Originally Posted by Neil Harvey

What I am now most curious about is this:
What did Matt learn and what would he do differently next time?

Well I hope matt h learns to do a full roll landing back on the hull, I'm sure that it will take a lot more practice but Matt is defo the man for the job YEEEEHA

[biffer]

Well I can guarantee he's had an experience that none of you posters has had, there is more or less only two ways to learn how to drive a boat, his way will produce a good boat driver if he doesn't kill himself first. If he learns from this he will have an insight that none of us has