Alderney run - Weekend 16/17 June 2007

[Tim M]

Registration Papers

Is this this Small Ships Register documentation?

[Biggles]

Although I know we are all looking forward to some cheap fuel to make our journey cost effective I have been informed that we will need to carry cans for a petrol replen as its 150 meters to a garage. Diesel is available in the harbour.

Below is information I have received from Brian.

Refueling is quite simple.
There is Braye Outer, and Braye Inner Harbours.
There is nothing in Braye Outer.
Braye Inner is accessible except for an hour or so each side of LOW tide.
Just inside Braye Inner, there is Mainbrace Chandlers on the dockside with diesel available from a pump.
Petrol (which I guess is what you are getting at!) is available from the petrol station, 150meters from the harbour/Mainbrace Chandlers. I will have my car there to take people and cans to the petrol station (and back!).

I will also take everyone to the campsite/B&Bs/hotels.

Ribs will need to be moored in Braye Outer harbour.
Any yellow buoy will do. Note the number on the buoy and call VHF 37 for the water taxi (currently £1.80 each way) giving your buoy number.

Hope this helps?

Thanks for the info Brian.

From what Brian is saying it looks like we need to pull up on the jetty to get fuel and offload kit and excess passengers. Then after refuelling go to the outer Harbour and tie up on a mooring buoy.

I have indicated on the attached chart the way I think things happen. Hopefully Brian will confirm I'm right.

Picture 1 shows the approxiamate area where we refuel. Hopefully we'll see Brian standing on the Jetty waving wildly at us.

Picture 2 I believe shows where we moore the boats over night. (Any volunteers to check my knots !)

Obviously over the next few days Brian can confirm this.

Next thing to do is get the tide timings for the weekend so we can get in to Braye Inner to refuel etc.

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Tim M

Registration Papers

Is this this Small Ships Register documentation?

Tim,

You got me there.

Neil any chance you can confirm exacly what this document is ?

Now Tim has pointed it out it sounds a very official document. I know all I have is the stuff that RIBCRAFT give you when you buy a boat new. And I guess most people are like that. The Small Ships Register documentation sounds like something you get from Loyds.

If not Neil can someone else clarify what this piece of paper is ?

[Pete7]

Nick the Small Ships Registration is £25 and you need it to visit France etc.

https://mcanet.mcga.gov.uk/ssr/ssr/

I have modified your petrol fuel map slightly to show the inner harbour,

Brian, your offer to assit with refuelling is most appreciated, thanks

Pete

[Biggles]

Now I'm getting in to this trip I've dug around and found some more info.

This is a useful link. Beware the speed limit is 4 KNOTS.

http://www.alderney.gov.gg/index.php/pid/37

I have also attached a couple of pics. These are of the maps I showed in the previous thread.

Pic 1 is the inner harbour.

Pic 2 the outer harbour.

I also have the Tide timings for the Saturday and Sunday which are as follows:

16 June 2007

0155 hrs 0.89 m
0742 hrs 5.96 m
1411 hrs 1.19 m
1956 hrs 6.15 m

17 June 2007

0242 hrs 0.92 m
0829 hrs 5.86 m
1456 hrs 1.30 m
2040 hrs 6.04 m

So although not ideal as far as the inner harbour goes the timings should mean we can have a relaxed time getting over to the island. Looking to arrive at 1511 hrs to make full use of the tide. Might even fit a breakfast in at Yarmouth prior to blasting over.

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Nick the Small Ships Registration is £25 and you need it to visit France etc.

https://mcanet.mcga.gov.uk/ssr/ssr/

I have modified your petrol fuel map slightly to show the inner harbour,

Brian, your offer to assit with refuelling is most appreciated, thanks

Pete

Pete.

Is this an absolute necessary then. Seeing as we are not visiting France.

To tell you the truth the information forthcoming from the RYA was a little vague. If you know what I mean.

I know you've done this trip before so you knowledge would be appreciated on this matter.

If we need the document at least we've got plenty of time to get it though.

I suppose I could always E mail the Aldernay Harbour master over the next couple of days.

[Louise]

Originally Posted by Biggles

Ships Registration Papers

It's very easy and cheap to register your boat on the SSR (Small Ships Register); have a look here: https://mcanet.mcga.gov.uk/ssr/ssr/ . Cost is £25 IIRC.

You will need to make sure you fill in the necessary CustomForms, you need to complete the C1331 form and post the top copy in a Customs Box before departure and when arriving back in the UK you need to complete part 2 of the C1331 form (this is explained on the form).
This form can be obtained from Revenue and Customs, www.hmrc.gov.uk or
telephone 0845 010 9000.

So a little prior paperwork preperation is required. But hopefully this little reminder should have us all sorted in time.

Last time I went (2004) the form was stuck on the boat in a polythene bag along with a useful little guide/map of the island. I think it must have been delivered by the harbour master. So no need to do anything in advance - just fill it in while you're there. HTH

[Louise]

Originally Posted by Biggles

Is this an absolute necessary then. Seeing as we are not visiting France.

You never know! You could hit a problem and need to divert to France. Or the lure of French wine and food may be too much to resist! We take the attitude that's it's best to be prepared for all eventualities! (And yes, I do wear a belt AND braces! )

[Brian]

Hmmm.
I would have thought that "proof of VAT" was not necessary as the C.I. are outside of the VAT area.

Also, last time I bought diesel it was 53p (October last year). However I have now found a source (perfectly legal!!) that charges only 39p. Howzat! It is the people who supply fuel to the chandlery and if you want more than 250litres, they will bring down a tanker and refuel you at the dockside.

I am also working on getting a supply of dockside petrol. Watch this space.

[Biggles]

Just done a quick sweep of people who have stated they would like to come along and have got the following details.
Anymore please shout up.

I'll leave accomodation to be booked by individuals.

Boat name; Boat Size: Crew: Launch place:

Zerstorer 5.85 m Biggles + 1 Warsash

Shamu 7m + Lewy + 1 N/K

Cookie Jar 8m + Roy Smith + 1 N/K

Evolution 7m + Tim M +1 N/K

Jamiha 4m+ Spike Weymouth

Sorry about the confusing layout but thats something to do with RIBNET. It looks fine in the preview mode but truncates when saved.

[Chris]

If I can get the time off work I'd like to do this one.

Chris

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Chris1573

If I can get the time off work I'd like to do this one.

Chris

Okay Chris,

Your welcome. Further info will follow. All we ask is that if you do drop out. Even at the last minute you let us know so we're not all hanging around for a none starter. Mobile Phone numbers will be passed around nearer the date.

I'll put you on the list anyway.

Regards Nick.

[Ian M]

Nick,
Please add me to the list, myself and one crew. No boat name yet, let you know as soon as I know!

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Ian M

Nick,
Please add me to the list, myself and one crew. No boat name yet, let you know as soon as I know!

Done.

[bedajim]

Hi

Can you add us to the list

Jigsaw 6.5m James + 1 (maybe 3) not decided

James

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by bedajim

Hi

Can you add us to the list

Jigsaw 6.5m James + 1 (maybe 3) not decided

James

Done.

[ian mcconnell]

count me in (2 pob) as long as i can address my issues below

as ive built my rib from brick-a-brack how do i go about getting proof of VAT,
i will register on small ships register & have insurance, i have a radio license but DO NOT have a radio competency certificate.

What will i definately need for Alderney

ian

[Biggles]

Okay Ian,

I've put you on the list.

With regards the paperwork issues. I'm sure over the next few weeks we'll get the exact details ironed out. It does seem rather confusing what the RYA have said. I don't have a radio competency certificate either (I don't know what it is), as for VAT if your boat isn't brand spanking new then I would have though common sense would have said the VAT was paid ages ago. Might be worth digging out receipts for any expensive electronics.

Next week I shall E mail Alderney and ask them exactly what documentation they expect to see from us.

[Jimbo]

Originally Posted by Biggles

I don't have a radio competency certificate either (I don't know what it is)

The SRC (Short Range Certificate) and the Restricted VHF Certificate both actually detail 2 things if you look at them. Firstly, the have "Maritime Radio Certificate of Competence" on the front, then on the back "Authority to Operate".

There are instances where someone might get the "Certificate of Competence", but not the "Authority to Operate" (for example if they are under 16).

Piccy:

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Jimbo

The SRC (Short Range Certificate) and the Restricted VHF Certificate both actually detail 2 things if you look at them. Firstly, the have "Maritime Radio Certificate of Competence" on the front, then on the back "Authority to Operate".

There are instances where someone might get the "Certificate of Competence", but not the "Authority to Operate" (for example if they are under 16).

Piccy:

Jim,

Cheers, good to get some expert advice on VHF. That clears that one up.

Anyone want to be a VAT expert ?