Alderney run - Weekend 16/17 June 2007

[Richard B]

Originally Posted by v666

Is it really necessary to fly the Q (yellow) flag on return to the UK and fill in the customs forms?

No.

[Brian]

V666
I used to be based in Plymouth. First trip out was to go to the Eddystone (9ish miles).
Then longer trips to the Lizard, and eventually to the Scilly's.
Each trip took me no more than 10 miles from the shore (including the Scilly's). So I felt quite safe (I was doing it on my own).
After the Scilly's trip, this was a 100nmile run, I felt quite OK going across the channel. For you this will be about 90nmiles with the first 30 being no more than 10miles from land. And yes, yes I know that 10 miles is a bloody long way when you are in trouble, but we are talking CONFIDENCE here.
Oh yes, and I did all these runs in a 6.2m Avon with a 130hp Honda.

Mr. Whiteshoes takes his little kiddies over to France on many an occasion. They love it!

[Neil Harvey]

Originally Posted by Biggles

Tim,

You got me there.

Neil any chance you can confirm exacly what this document is ?

Now Tim has pointed it out it sounds a very official document. I know all I have is the stuff that RIBCRAFT give you when you buy a boat new. And I guess most people are like that. The Small Ships Register documentation sounds like something you get from Loyds.

If not Neil can someone else clarify what this piece of paper is ?

Hi Nick,

Sorry for not responding before. I was away last week on holiday.
Looking through the posts, most questions seem to be answered. if you want me to ask anything else, let me know, or if you need more clarity on anything etc.

In addition, please add me to the list to join,assuming work all OK nearer the time.

Vixen 5.4m Neil + 1 Solent somewhere

Cheers

Neil

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Neil Harvey

Hi Nick,

Sorry for not responding before. I was away last week on holiday.
Looking through the posts, most questions seem to be answered. if you want me to ask anything else, let me know, or if you need more clarity on anything etc.

In addition, please add me to the list to join,assuming work all OK nearer the time.

Vixen 5.4m Neil + 1 Solent somewhere

Cheers

Neil

Neil,

Added to list.

[wetterthebetter]

Originally Posted by v666

I have been watching this thread for a while and may be interested in joining in if it would be OK.

We would be leaving from Plymouth and it would be our first cross channel crossing.

I would only consider it if there are any others we could go with for that little bit of saftey and company.

I am thinking about taking our 2 boys ( 1 at 10yrs and 1 at 8 yrs) and would try some longer trips to see how they cope before a crossing. Also I would welcome any advice from those that have tried a 4 hour trip in open water with children where they have little to do or see.

Although this is a very vague request to join you all, is there somebody who is sorting out the camping arrangements or is it DIY.

Tim

PS. Is it really necessary to fly the Q (yellow) flag on return to the UK and fill in the customs forms?

Hi Tim:
Maybe we ought to begin sorting who's leaving from our neck of the woods. Altho' I'm in York, we spend much time in the South Hams and the boat's there! Milo72 is leavin' from Dorset so we are arranging to meet and would like to know who else is thinking of joining from this end. Perhaps a show of hands would be good. Graham

[Tony]

Just a thought are you guys going to have to refuel?
Perhaps you should prebook here before you come over.

[Milo72]

Originally Posted by Biggles

Graham,

We haven't heard from the South West RIBsters for a while now with regards this thread. Can you do some digging around and see who's interested. It would be handy for me if someone down that part of the country did all the planning for the South West and then sent me all the details at a later date.

Regards Nick R.

Just to update you from this end...

Hoping to take my 2 boats with 6-7 pax each
I've also managed to get 1 other RIB with 3 or 4 pax to join us and I'm waiting to here back from another.
Hoping to meet with 'wetterthebetter' and 'spike'[?] somewhere in the outskirts of Lyme Bay.
Thats about it at the mo....
Guess we just keep reading the posts and stay in touch.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by Milo72

Just to update you from this end...

Hoping to take my 2 boats with 6-7 pax each
I've also managed to get 1 other RIB with 3 or 4 pax to join us and I'm waiting to here back from another.
Hoping to meet with 'wetterthebetter' and 'spike'[?] somewhere in the outskirts of Lyme Bay.
Thats about it at the mo....
Guess we just keep reading the posts and stay in touch.

Hi Milo72
Just to let you know i will still be there & will possably be bringing one other, i guess we should probably leave it a little longer to see if there are anymore takers down this end of dorset before making any meeting points, im happy just north of the shipping lanes (about half way across) but i expect we will run into each other before that as our transit lines wont be that far apart anyhow. Has anyone thought about a start time yet?

[Spike]

Just for information purposes.......
I have been to Alderny many times by boat with the wife & kids mooring up on the visitors cans by the lifeboat (you dont want to moor up near the entrance as if an easterly blows up there is a big swell & rafting RIBs together would cause big damage to each other out there) & im sure i have only ever been asked to fill out a yellow (bailywick of Gurnsey & Alderny) customs form, pay & show a passport (sometimes) then post the form into the post box at the customs office (top of the landing ramp). I will have a dig about & see if i can find one of the copys of the yellow forms to see if there is any info to help with (must have) paperwork to bring with us, but as long as your flying a red ensign & speak english i dont think they bother you to much from what i remember......
I would advise that we would want to get into Alderny as early as possable (yachts leave very early so cans become available) before lunch time if poss as the visitors cans get taken up very quickly by lots of yachts after lunch & it can get very busy that time of year at weekends.
If i find a form i will scan it in for all to read.

[Biggles]

Spike,

Thanks for the info regarding mooring cans and Yachts. Although this presents a little dilemma. Low tide for the saturday is at 1411 hrs. Therefore if we are going to unload numerous RIBs and refuel them and not get caught by a falling tide we need to think about arriving by the latest at 1200 hrs to give us one hour to replen etc. This might not be easy. Although we could leave the refuelling to the Sunday morning.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by Biggles

Spike,

Thanks for the info regarding mooring cans and Yachts. Although this presents a little dilemma. Low tide for the saturday is at 1411 hrs. Therefore if we are going to unload numerous RIBs and refuel them and not get caught by a falling tide we need to think about arriving by the latest at 1200 hrs to give us one hour to replen etc. This might not be easy. Although we could leave the refuelling to the Sunday morning.

Hi Biggles,
I agree that would be best (before 1200Hrs), if we can get a few fuel cans together & raft the RIBs three to a vistitors can then if we do caught by the falling tide then one rib could act like a runner picking up the fuel from the landing ramp pontoon while some of us collect the fuel from the garage & drop it down to the ramp its not to far a walk to the garage from what i remember. Something else that should be remembered is that no one should try to take the short cut across the sunken breakwater as they might loose a skeg/prop or worse allways best to follow the leading lines in to Bray as shown on the chart, just to be safe. Should be a great weekend pending on the weather.
Regards Mike.

[Biggles]

Okay,

Looks like its time to start doing some serious planning. I've got the basics now so I'll knock something up over the coming week so it will give people a chance to point out any errors.

[Biggles]

This is a preliminary draft of the plan for the Alderney cruise in June this year. If anyone spots any mistakes please let me know. The cruise is open to all and the only reason a list of names is published is so that we can make sure we don't leave anyone behind. It would be appreciated if you could forward Mobile Phone numbers so that on the day we can do a final check and wait for anyone who might be a little late. And also not wait for anyone who can't make it.

This also means that people can start planning on purchasing any kit they require



Alderney RIBNET Trip 2007

Alderney Tides
16 June 2007

0155 hrs 0.89 m
0742 hrs 5.96 m
1411 hrs 1.19 m
1956 hrs 6.15 m

17 June 2007

0242 hrs 0.92 m
0829 hrs 5.86 m
1456 hrs 1.30 m
2040 hrs 6.04 m



Dates: Saturday 16 June 2007 - Sunday 17 June 2007

Timings: Rendevous outside Yarmouth Harbour at 0900 hrs.

Approxiamate arrival time at Alderney 1200 hrs. (Approx 60 miles at 20 Knots).

Route:

1) First waypoint is the Port Hand Bouy South West of the Bridge at N50 39.354 W1 37.379

2) Follow 219 Degrees true for 36.1 NM to N50 11.372 W2 12.955 (Just North of Channel Traffic Seperation Zone) (Check all present)

3) Follow 164 Degrees true for 19.2 NM to N49 53.030 W2 03.475 (Crossing Channel Traffic seperation Zone at right angles)

4) Follow 209 Degrees true for 10.2 NM to N49 44 333 W2 11.030 (Entrance to Alderney Harbour)

5) Follow Transit route on 210 Degrees into Alderney Harbour.


Total Distance from Needles to Alderney 64.4 NM.

Make haste towards Inner Braye for refuelling and offloading of equipment. Fuel cans will be required for petrol engines.

Depart Inner Braye at 1300 hrs for tieing up to mooring cans in Outer Braye on small boat moorings. Ribs will need to be moored in Braye Outer harbour.
Any yellow buoy will do. Note the number on the buoy and call VHF 37 for the water taxi (currently £1.80 each way) giving your buoy number.

Brian has offered to transport people who need to refuel from the garage about 150 mtrs away and also convey people to the campsite/B&Bs/hotels..

Other information:

Documentation:

For a UK Registered vessel visiting Guernsey, Jersey and Alderney you will need to carry on board your Ships Registration Papers, evidence of

Insurance,proof of vat, vhf licence and radio competency certificate.
Due to the Channel Islands not being in the UK or EU, it is treated as
foreign. You will need to make sure you fill in the necessary CustomForms, you need to complete the C1331 form and post the top copy in a
Customs Box before departure and when arriving back in the UK you need
to complete part 2 of the C1331 form (this is explained on the form).
This form can be obtained from Revenue and Customs, www.hmrc.gov.uk or
telephone 0845 010 9000.

Medical:

Mignot Memorial Hospital
Crabby
Alderney, GY9 3XY
Tel: +44 (0)1481 822822


The Island Medical Centre
Sundial House,
Les Rocquettes
Alderney
Tel: +44 (0)1481 822077


Dental:

Dental Practice
Les Venelles
Alderney, GY9 3TW
Tel: +44 (0)1481 823131

There is no National Health Service as known in the U.K. A free hospital casualty service is available, but patients have to pay for GP and dental
services. They also have to pay for ambulance services and for the services of a doctor in the Accident and Emergency department. Drugs prescribed
by a medical practitioner are free . However, a prescription charge (per item) has to be paid. Specialist cover is provided, under the compulsory GSSA
Specialist Health Insurance Scheme, but most residents also contribute to private medical insurance schemes to cover General Practitioners fees.
Full details of Social Security matters and medical health cover can be obtained from the Guernsey Social Security Authority. Tel +44 (0)1481 732500 -

Fax +44 (0)1481 732501.

Camp Site.

Their is only one permitted camp site on Alderney.

The States Camp Site Operator:

Mrs Jayne Capazario

8 Clos Carré

Alderney

GY9 3UY

Channel Islands

Tel +44(0)1481 822556 Fax:+44(0)1481 822436

Email: camping@alderney.net



More information on Alderney can be found here: http://www.alderney.gov.gg/index.php/pid/66/

Participents So Far :

Boat name; Boat Size: Crew: Launch place:

Zerstorer 5.85 m Biggles + 1 Warsash

Shamu 7m + Lewy + 1 N/K

Cookie Jar 8m + Roy Smith + 1 N/K

Evolution 7m + Tim M +1 N/K

Jamiha 4m + Spike Weymouth

Old Spice 6m + Pete7 + ? Portsmouth

Danny Boy 5m + Chris1573 N/K

? ? Ian M + ? Lymington

Jigsaw 6.5m James +1 N/K

Mach1 5.4m Ian Mcconnell +1 N/K

Selva 6m+ Watersideman1 + 3/5 N/K

Vixen 5m+ neil harvey + 1 N/K

Darwin 6m+ Andy B007 + ? Southampton

If its your first mad RIBnet blast have a read of JK's RIBnet cruising advice. Also apologies for incorrect spelling of names or any other errors.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Biggles

3) Follow 164 Degrees true for 19.2 NM to N49 53.030 W2 03.475 (Crossing Channel Traffic seperation Zone at right angles)

You've got be kidding
At the Needles fairway bouy set a course for 220deg and you will bump into Braye harbour wall. It really is a no-brainer. If you do happen upon a larger vessel than yours, slow down and go around the back of him.

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Charles

You've got be kidding
At the Needles fairway bouy set a course for 220deg and you will bump into Braye harbour wall. It really is a no-brainer.

Just trying to do it properly. I was under the impression you were obliged to cross the Transit by the shortest route. Thats how I've done the plan. But as with everything its open to change if the considered opinion is to go as the crow flies.

[Jimbo]

Originally Posted by Charles

You've got be kidding
At the Needles fairway bouy set a course for 220deg and you will bump into Braye harbour wall. It really is a no-brainer. If you do happen upon a larger vessel than yours, slow down and go around the back of him.

Having done this in a Sailing Yacht, I agree with you Charles.

Best to avoid the TSS entirely, if you can help it!

[Jimbo]

Originally Posted by Biggles

Just trying to do it properly. I was under the impression you were obliged to cross the Transit by the shortest route. Thats how I've done the plan. But as with everything its open to change if the considered opinion is to go as the crow flies.

The Casquets TSS (From Memory) is actually a fair bit further west that you need to go. If you avoid that, you still have to cross the shipping, but normal Colregs apply.

My Grandad did offer another suggestion though - if poor weather/visibility, it can actually be best to cross in the middle of the TSS, simply so that you know exactly where the shipping is going to be.

Conflicting information from me, as usual!

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Biggles

Just trying to do it properly.

And right you are, I have yet to see a power boat doing this though. Of the 30 odd times I have made this crossing I would hazard a guess and say approximately 90% of the time I never saw another vessel. (perhaps cause I was in fog - only kidding!! )

[Biggles]

Okay. Note to self. First amendment to plan. Change route.

[Charles]

Biggles, this PDF is pretty comprehensive, particularly page 20 onwards.
http://www.jersey.com/brochures/uploads/3514-9084.pdf -
It is very useful for any CI destination.