Scottish SIB Gathering 11/12 JUNE 2016

[The Gurnard]

Originally Posted by Maximus

RIB...SIB...JETSKI....KYAK..or TARDIS..
Surly it's a matter of conduct and (to a lesser extent) numbers that maters....???
Or are you in danger of becoming ...."SIBist"???

Hi Maximus..no..I genuinely don’t mind who comes..however I am very careful about wild camping and know our access laws inside out.

Sometimes..landowners try to pull the wool over my eyes ..so I always carry a copy with me.

Here is a quote

Access rights extend to wild camping. This type of camping is lightweight, done in small numbers and only for two or three nights in any one place. You can camp in this way wherever access rights apply, but help to avoid causing problems for local people and land managers by not camping in enclosed fields of crops or farm animals and by keeping well away from buildings, roads or historic structures. Take extra care to avoid disturbing deer stalking or grouse shooting. If you wish to camp close to a house or building, seek the owner's permission. Leave no trace by:

From

Camping | Scottish Outdoor Access Code

Sadly..we have already lost the access rights to wild camp around Loch Lomond..yup. due not only to boat campers..but also fishermen..and folks just looking for somewhere to have a party. ..making noise and leaving a mess.

Camping crackdown approved by Loch Lomond park board - BBC News

I do not wish to be involved in a party that will cause local residents grief and may eventually cause others to loose our hard fought access laws...whether that is Sibs Ribs ..or whatever ... I hope all can appreciate that as Im a regular wild camper in the area...as are some of my friends. Im certain Poly wont want us in bother with an angry landowner either ..

[kaman]

I've found that when wild camping around Scotland touring on my motorbike groups of up to 6 are generally acceptable.
When going with guys from work and there is more than 6 we tend to split in to smaller groups - even when going to campsites.
A large gathering of guys and noisy engines tend to strike fear into the heart of the locals.
No doubt wild camping won't be up everybody's street so probably manage a larger group out on the water with some preferring to return to mainland for a more lavish form of accommodation.

[The Gurnard]

Originally Posted by kaman

I've found that when wild camping around Scotland touring on my motorbike groups of up to 6 are generally acceptable.
When going with guys from work and there is more than 6 we tend to split in to smaller groups - even when going to campsites.
A large gathering of guys and noisy engines tend to strike fear into the heart of the locals.
No doubt wild camping won't be up everybody's street so probably manage a larger group out on the water with some preferring to return to mainland for a more lavish form of accommodation.

Agree Kaman..problem is..the Law is not clear what a small lightweight group is. Folk that are not keen on their land being used..will argue even six is too much..others dont bother..as long as you are not noisy or making a mess.

I do know the people of Millport will "stone you to death" if even a small party of two or three try to camp there..so its a no no for me at any time.

Bute folks..are very proud of their island..and rightly so.. I cant say for sure..but I think a group of nine or ten boats would annoy them..any you will be noticed ... as mentioned..its quite a well populated island.

I know other places where its less likely to cause agro..but Im not prepared to mention them on line..for hopefully ... obvious reasons.

Also ..a big group of fast boats going through the narrow Kyles ..it might be frowned upon too ? .. I believe it is a no wake zone for quite a distance..but hey..anyone who knows the area will know that..and may well know it better and say from experience ..its ok for twenty boats to go through there in convoy at 15knots ? I dont have that experience as I just go through it alone.

Its one of the problems with the popular Clyde..compared to more remote Easdale area..but Im looking forward to it..and only highlighting issues that may or may not be correct. Its not my shout either..Im just offering my thoughts. I honestly love big parties

[The Gurnard]

Originally Posted by kaman

larger group out on the water with some preferring to return to mainland for a more lavish form of accommodation.

Yup..but that has its problems too..but not for me as I will be wild camping.

What problems you may ask ?

Ok..you have booked into a B&B in Tighnabruaich..Its a busy spot..so pre booked .. we set off from Largs..blows up..so we turn back..its a long drive to your accommodation. Hey..we might even have to cancel because of weather.. thats why SIBs and camping go well together.. you can be very flexible with the weather and conditions.

I guess have little more to add to my defence M'Lud ..so will leave the thread for the moment

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Paul_S

If I don't go for the whole sib it is the weekend they hold the Round Bute sailing race. It shouldn't get in your way too much,

Ah! Missed that one on my search, I checked various other events. However I think it is quite nice to watch the wafi's in the kyle narrows. Do you have a link to the sailing instructions etc, its probably better for their blood pressure if we avoid being at a key mark at the critical time.

[Poly]

We will be aiming to avoid upsetting anyone and probably camping out of sight of others. If we get too many boats we will split up...

There's nothing to stop a group of ribs organising their own trip any time, or even at the same time. They'll be more flexible on route and weather etc.

[Poly]

Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

I thought it was so you could show off what a hard boat could do and convince all these guys with there overgrown innertubes with an engine strapped to the back to switch to poly-boats? This year has been the first year I've seen them discussed in ernest since your marketing trip...

You've misunderstood what sib gathering is like. Nobody is promoting anything or bothered what craft you turn up in - so long as you have the same ethos.

Personally I've no great interest in promoting RBBs over other vessels as each have their pros and cons but will add thoughts if asked.

[Paul_S]

Originally Posted by Poly

Ah! Missed that one on my search, I checked various other events. However I think it is quite nice to watch the wafi's in the kyle narrows. Do you have a link to the sailing instructions etc, its probably better for their blood pressure if we avoid being at a key mark at the critical time.

Easily missed as they haven't released the date yet. Will post up when the flyer is done. Won't know too much till the day of the race as they don't even decide which way round they are going till race day.

[willk]

Originally Posted by Paul_S

Easily missed as they haven't released the date yet.

In that case, the SIB gathering has dibs. WAFIs be warned!

[Paul_S]

Originally Posted by Poly

Personally I've no great interest in promoting RBBs over other vessels as each have their pros and cons but will add thoughts if asked.

I have just bought a Pioner 12 rigid boat as I need a different tender to get from my boathouse out to my mooring. I do have a sib, but it is so rocky with some pretty sharp rocks that I always feel I am going to ruin the sib, so wanted something that was a bit more resilient. Just wondered how it will go with a 5hp on it.

[ShinyShoe]

Originally Posted by Paul_S

I have just bought a Pioner 12 rigid boat as I need a different tender to get from my boathouse out to my mooring. I do have a sib, but it is so rocky with some pretty sharp rocks that I always feel I am going to ruin the sib, so wanted something that was a bit more resilient. Just wondered how it will go with a 5hp on it.

Slowly?

[The Gurnard]

Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

Slowly?

Hi Paul..Im not sure of the Pioner12 ..but max HP is 5HP ..no mention if it planes on the web site.

Pioner 10..is a displacement boat it states that on the website ..max HP is 5 too

Pioner 13 is planing hull and Max HP is 15. It states ..easily planes

Vids on utube show Pioner 12 at displacement speeds
Vids on Utube show Pioner 13 planing

Based on that I suspect its a displacement boat and my 12ft displacement boat has a 4hp.. and goes 4-5 knots. Displacement speed is generally dependent of the length of the boat..so suspect it will have similar properties to my Highlander Family Fisherman 12ft. If I put a 6hp on my displacement.. all that happens is the sea gets churned up more at the wake..and its bow rises higher..but speed stays the same.

Of course..if it planes..it a different kettle of fish..but I can find no reference to that boat planing ? Did you ask if it planes when you got it ?

[Paul_S]

Originally Posted by The Gurnard

Hi Paul..Im not sure of the Pioner12 ..but max HP is 5HP ..no mention if it planes on the web site.

Pioner 10..is a displacement boat it states that on the website ..max HP is 5 too

Pioner 13 is planing hull and Max HP is 15. It states ..easily planes

Vids on utube show Pioner 12 at displacement speeds
Vids on Utube show Pioner 13 planing

Based on that I suspect its a displacement boat and my 12ft displacement boat has a 4hp.. and goes 4-5 knots. Displacement speed is generally dependent of the length of the boat..so suspect it will have similar properties to my Highlander Family Fisherman 12ft. If I put a 6hp on my displacement.. all that happens is the sea gets churned up more at the wake..and its bow rises higher..but speed stays the same.

Of course..if it planes..it a different kettle of fish..but I can find no reference to that boat planing ? Did you ask if it planes when you got it ?

Not sure, I just bought it off the sailing club. They were donated it by someone. I wanted a tender with a wheel on the bottom that could take a bit of a licking from the pretty sharp rocks. I do have transom wheels on the sib, but it is a bit iffy getting it through the small channel then into the little boathouse.

[The Gurnard]

Hey ..I have passed that spot a few times Paul.. promise we wont wild camp near you.. and hope to meet you at the outing

[Paul_S]

Originally Posted by The Gurnard

Hey ..I have passed that spot a few times Paul.. promise we wont wild camp near you.. and hope to meet you at the outing

Haha, you can camp near me I don't mind....we had a few camp in front of my house last year. If you guys have any problems or need anything you are welcome to use the boathouse and/or moorings and I can run you into town for petrol etc.

Next time you are boating past Donnie, please do stop and say hi. Happy to share a single malt or 3 with you.

[Last Tango]

Originally Posted by The Gurnard

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Displacement speed is generally dependent of the length of the boat..

max disp speed (knots) = 1.4 X square root of the waterline length (in feet).

[jeffstevens763@g]

bit early for me to comitt but at what size party will be the the limit for future refrence i hear all the concerns voiced and agree, not done the area so have no real input but fancy having a look, been to portavardie on a site visit some time ago senery stunning on the way up sea like a mirror.

[Poly]

Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g

bit early for me to comitt but at what size party will be the the limit for future refrence i hear all the concerns voiced and agree, not done the area so have no real input but fancy having a look, been to portavardie on a site visit some time ago senery stunning on the way up sea like a mirror.

Jeff - don't worry commit when you can (I'll count that as a maybe at the moment). We had about half a dozens folk last year. If we double that we might want to talk about splitting our selves into a couple of "packs" but that will probably happen naturally anyway based on engine/boat size or preferred accommodation etc.

You might find portavadie has changed a bit since you were last there - last time I went it looked like a former Soviet Ghost town (there's some interesting modern history there which no doubt Gurnard will transform into an enthrawling installment in the trip report!). Either someone is very good with photoshop or the marina is a case study in wasteland transformation!

[Paul_S]

Originally Posted by Poly

Jeff - don't worry commit when you can (I'll count that as a maybe at the moment). We had about half a dozens folk last year. If we double that we might want to talk about splitting our selves into a couple of "packs" but that will probably happen naturally anyway based on engine/boat size or preferred accommodation etc.

You might find portavadie has changed a bit since you were last there - last time I went it looked like a former Soviet Ghost town (there's some interesting modern history there which no doubt Gurnard will transform into an enthrawling installment in the trip report!). Either someone is very good with photoshop or the marina is a case study in wasteland transformation!

Marina is really nice now, here is a pic from the summer.

[The Gurnard]

Hey.. I hope you can come Jeff ..would be great to meet you..and I will happily share a yarn or three about the place.

What I don’t know.. I can assure you..I will soon make up.

There are some really interesting places to see along the route .. and a must see for me is the old Lighthouse on Little Cumbrae..it stands on top of the sea cliffs. Like Belnahua .. It is from a time gone by .. and sadly .. a forgotten relic falling into decay. I want to get some photo of it for my own records.



You can see more photos of it here on my brothers blog..where I borrowed the attached photo from.

Sea kayaking with seakayakphoto.com: The further decay of the Little Cumbrae lighthouse, nobody cares.

That is only one of many interesting sites to see..there are quite a few others..so if that kind of thing interests you..get your name down guys ..

SIBS and small boats first.. (we are the women and children after all) .. then the men and large boats ... once numbers are sorted.