Diesel Bowser Trailer needed

[Andy Young2]

I need to transport 1,000 litres of diesel in a bowser trailer, towed by a pick up truck, along 5km of tarmac roads once a week, then pump it into a range of fire service training vehicles.
I cannot find a suitable trailer bowser in Oman (see examples available elsewhere - www.fuelproof.co.uk) so due to cheap labour etc I am considering having one built. The problem is that whilst engineering skills are good, design and drawing is not.

Pleaser can anyone advise me where I can get basic engineering drawings that can be adapted to such a trailer. Drawings are neede for a suitable tank that meets relevant standards as well as trailer base. Many thanks

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by Andy Young2

I need to transport 1,000 litres of diesel in a bowser trailer, towed by a pick up truck, along 5km of tarmac roads once a week, then pump it into a range of fire service training vehicles.
I cannot find a suitable trailer bowser in Oman (see examples available elsewhere - www.fuelproof.co.uk) so due to cheap labour etc I am considering having one built. The problem is that whilst engineering skills are good, design and drawing is not.

Pleaser can anyone advise me where I can get basic engineering drawings that can be adapted to such a trailer. Drawings are neede for a suitable tank that meets relevant standards as well as trailer base. Many thanks

Will the guy who fills the bowser not fill the vehicles directly from the tanker?
It's not allowed over here, but that's UK H&S rules.

[Pete7]

Wouldn't bother with a trailer, just stick one of these in the back of a Tranny van.

http://www.industrysearch.com.au/Pro...ntainers-20547

Pete

[Jono]

Second-hand one for sale here...

http://www.mod-sales.com/direct/vehi...light_Line.htm

They often have the straight-forward "bowser" type available..worth a call.

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Wouldn't bother with a trailer, just stick one of these in the back of a Tranny van.

http://www.industrysearch.com.au/Pro...ntainers-20547

Pete

I agree - or buy a cheap normal trailer and stick an IBC in it - remember you will need a trailer that will carry about a ton. If its legal of course which it probably will be out there!!!

Machine mart and others sell suitable 12v pumps.

£350 for a good trailer - £40 for an IBC and about £100 for the pump.

[Andy Young2]

Gents thanks for comments:

Havent worked out how to 'quote yet but;
Nos4r2 - Will the guy who fills the bowser not fill the vehicles directly from the tanker?
It's not allowed over here, but that's UK H&S rules.
9 trucks are ex UKFRS Volvos and RHD so in a LHD country we can only use them on site. We have centre steer Carmichael aviation fire trucks which are road legal and we blast them down the road for 5km to blow out the Detroit 2stroke diesels then fill them up.

Pete - good call but I have not found an IBC available here yet - good marketing opportunity for someone? - however I shall spread my search to people who ship chemicals etc

Jono - thanks I have mailed the firm on prices and shipping

Codders - again thanks for advice particularly on trailer but it is local avaiilability that is the issue

I shall follow up the leads so far but I have also looked into simple cradle for 2 x 200l drums with bund that can be fixed onto stillage and bolted into pick up. Advantages of drums that have been mentioned (and I appreciate feedback) is that if they are full and secured no need for honeycomb baffles, cheap, replaceable, common threads etc. I shall keep looking as I need to bottom this one out. Paying 25% over pump price for each litre of fuel delivered is a good incentive. Many thanks

[Andy Young2]

Sorry Codprawn double thanks for the info on where to get the pump and gear
Regards

[codprawn]

If you do find an IBC make sure you cover it with something - polyprop goes very brittle with UV after a while.

Also look at Northen Tool.

http://www.northerntooluk.com/

Sometimes cheaper than Machine Mart.

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by codprawn

If you do find an IBC make sure you cover it with something - polyprop goes very brittle with UV after a while.

and they get hot too, we have a black one with a 1000 litres of rain water in the garden, couple of days of UK sunshine and its warm bath temp,

Pete

[BogMonster]

Don't bother with a Fuel Proof one anyway - they aren't! Dad has one - cost a couple of grand I think and is a pile of sh&te - twin skinned bunded but very soon after he got it (a few months and only a handful of bowser-fuls) the internal skin ruptured so the diesel now leaks slowly into the bund and the pump area. He still uses it but has to fill it up and then pump it out straight away which defeated the point of getting it in the first place.

I have to cart kerosene out to our house as the depot tankers won't deliver (no road) and I use a 208L drum in the back of my pickup with a ratchet strap around it, stand it upright with the bung on top, take it into town, fill it up, take it back and pump it into our tank, that way I don't have to move it while its full. I could carry two in theory but I have to cross rough ground to get to the house so I figure that loading the vehicle close to its max weight would not be sensible. One day I'll get around to buying an electric pump and had been eyeing up the NT ones, at the moment I just use a Clarke rotary hand pump.

I'd also been eyeing up these http://www.ljacksonandco.com/ljdbase...?editid1=11580 ugly but functional

[CJL]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Wouldn't bother with a trailer, just stick one of these in the back of a Tranny van.

http://www.industrysearch.com.au/Pro...ntainers-20547

Pete

So these are compliant with the Carriage of Dangerous Goods Regs right?

CJL

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by CJL

So these are compliant with the Carriage of Dangerous Goods Regs right?

CJL

It won't matter a jot unless being transported by ship while loaded.

IBCs do comply, as it happens. It merely states 'suitable packaging' that can withstand 'Normal Transport Conditions' as far as I remember.
Comes under Packages rather than Tanks, too.

[BogMonster]

Does sound odd but then the DG regs are a load of crap anyway. For export shipment a diesel generator with a sniff of fuel left in the tank requires a DGN to be completed, but 9000 litres of lube oil goes through without a second glance. I know which I'd rather be standing next to if the ship caught fire...

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by CJL

So these are compliant with the Carriage of Dangerous Goods Regs right?

CJL

Besides which we are talking about Oman!!!

[Nos4r2]

Bear in mind IBCs can be used for transporting conc. acid and it makes a bit more sense. To carry an IBC full of Derv would require an ADR licence and ADR equipped vehicle in the UK-but as Codprawn says, it's Oman.

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

To carry an IBC full of Derv would require an ADR licence and ADR equipped vehicle in the UK-but as Codprawn says, it's Oman.

I thought (and I could certainly be wrong/out-of-date) that you could carry up-to 1000L of DERV like that even in the UK without needing an ADR licence, Hazchem plates etc. Something in my memory said there was a bizzare clause about "own use" - because obviously as soon as its for sale it becomes more dangerous. I'm certainly no expert though.

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by Polwart

I thought (and I could certainly be wrong/out-of-date) that you could carry up-to 1000L of DERV like that even in the UK without needing an ADR licence, Hazchem plates etc. Something in my memory said there was a bizzare clause about "own use" - because obviously as soon as its for sale it becomes more dangerous. I'm certainly no expert though.

Actually, I think you're right. I don't do own use though-all the DERV I carry is for sale.

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by CJL

So these are compliant with the Carriage of Dangerous Goods Regs right? CJL

Well they are used for shipping chemicals normally which is were mine originally came from. As Codders says in Oman in the back of a covered truck.......

Pete

[BogMonster]

Originally Posted by Polwart

I thought (and I could certainly be wrong/out-of-date) that you could carry up-to 1000L of DERV like that even in the UK without needing an ADR licence, Hazchem plates etc. Something in my memory said there was a bizzare clause about "own use" - because obviously as soon as its for sale it becomes more dangerous. I'm certainly no expert though.

I think that's probably right - hence the fact that loads of the mini trailer tankers are 950L capacity. Something on one of the websites I was looking at said that all you need is a 2L fire extinguisher in the tow vehicle to comply, though if all I had was 2L of AFFF to fight a ton of burning diesel I would chuck it in the general direction of the fire and run like hell....

[Andy Young2]

The problem in Oman is two fold, buying and moving the diesel on the road.

Petrol stations have recently been subject to a Royal Oman Police clampdown on filling unsuitable fuel containers. There is ROP guidance similar to ADR Regs but no-one at the Police Office will tell you whether your container/bowser/trailier meets the regs but traffic police will pull you and fine you. Example; there are no design and use regs for motorbike or boat trailers yet many people use them and are pulled and fined completely at random.

Filling stations are very wary about putting fuel into containers. Some days I have problems getting local staff to buy 150L of fuel in Yamaha fuel cells, other days I can buy it in old 25L foam cans without a problem. Being a westerner also helps.

The only solution is to get/make a bowser and make it as compliant as possible then get a letter from ROP stating that it is legit. Today I will have 1500L of diesel delivered straight into trucks and pay about 20% over pump price. This certainly adds up after a few weeks/months.

Thanks for advice I shall keep trying.