England Thrashed

codprawn · 02 February 2008, 21:33

Well as nobody else has mentioned it..................

Lets go boating · 03 February 2008, 00:09

too dissapointed to

what the hell happened to england

codprawn · 03 February 2008, 02:47

I think they went home in the 2nd half!!!

Carl · 03 February 2008, 10:20

bit extreme to call it a thrashing i think

Mollers · 03 February 2008, 11:53

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Originally Posted by Carl

bit extreme to call it a thrashing i think

Nope, i'll go with 'thrashing', it was utter bollocks. The management and senior players should hang their heads in shame. England have by far the greatest player and financial resources of any rugby playing union in the World. Not since the Woodward regime have they managed to string a decent set of results together.

Carl · 03 February 2008, 12:42

i must admit to only get to the world cup final last year was crap of them

Mollers · 03 February 2008, 13:13

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Originally Posted by Carl

i must admit to only get to the world cup final last year was crap of them

OK, so how do you excuse away yesterdays shambles?! Last year was last year, they won the World Cup in '03, does that make playing like a pub team for the 2nd 40mins against the Welsh OK?

The 2 factors that got them to the final was the Ausies not having a 'vintage' team and the All Blacks somehow falling to bits against France. No way would England have beaten NZ and made it to the final.

Carl · 03 February 2008, 14:31

no it does not make it ok,but i still dont think they were thrashed,or the result would be more like a cricket score

Downhilldai · 03 February 2008, 21:32

I wouldn't say 'thrashed' either, but the game was there for the taking and England failed to take advantage of a very healthy lead and close the game down.
Same thing happened at Wembley in 1999 when Scott Gibbs scored that famous try.

Mollers · 03 February 2008, 21:41

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Originally Posted by Downhilldai

I wouldn't say 'thrashed' either, but the game was there for the taking and England failed to take advantage of a very healthy lead and close the game down.
Same thing happened at Wembley in 1999 when Scott Gibbs scored that famous try.

I don't totally agree with that. They didn't come close to 'closing the game out'. The succumbed to a couple of sucker scores of their own making and then fell to bits. All teams make mistakes, decent teams keep possesion, gain yardage and undo the damage. They were made to look like idiots and not worth a cent of the fat packages they're now on.

No way would that debacle have occured under Johnson's leadership, Vickery now needs to start throwing his not inconsiderable weight around.

Kernow Buoy · 03 February 2008, 22:23

Or under Woodward come to that. England flattered to deceive in the world cup and made the final in spite of not because of the coaching, they got there because the senior players turned things around both on and off the field, those players are now gone and as much as it pains me to say it I'm not sure Phil Vickery is international capt. material.
Letting Shaun Edwards go to Wales was a big mistake, he is hugely well thought of and England offered him a derisory placement with the Saxons in a role with little input on selection or tactics!

Mollers · 04 February 2008, 07:47

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Originally Posted by Kernow

Or under Woodward come to that. England flattered to deceive in the world cup and made the final in spite of not because of the coaching, they got there because the senior players turned things around both on and off the field, those players are now gone and as much as it pains me to say it I'm not sure Phil Vickery is international capt. material.
Letting Shaun Edwards go to Wales was a big mistake, he is hugely well thought of and England offered him a derisory placement with the Saxons in a role with little input on selection or tactics!

Agreed, inc. on the Vickery issue unfortunately.