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Old 09 April 2014, 11:28   #1
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Guide for petrol storage.

I came across this and thought that it might be of some interest as the question does come up now and then on here.....

BBC - Newsbeat - What is a jerry can? A guide on how to legally store petrol
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This outlaws the EPA approved Flo N Go DuraMax Portable 14-gallon gas container then, Looked like a good option for filling the boat.
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Its surprised me that the 20 litre army type fuel cans are illegal... to fill em that is, so why can they sell them
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Its surprised me that the 20 litre army type fuel cans are illegal... to fill em that is, so why can they sell them

why I moved to 10 litre jerry cans!


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Storing fuel for a lawn mower or chainsaw would not require large amounts of fuel!
However with a Rib with a 'small' 35l console tank and a 60hp engine you need to carry at least 20l on board if travelling any distance. I have 2 mercury 25l hard plastic containers with gauge. I only fill them if I know I am out for the weekend. Does this mean legally I can only take 2x10l. What a load of !#$P
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Storing fuel for a lawn mower or chainsaw would not require large amounts of fuel!
However with a Rib with a 'small' 35l console tank and a 60hp engine you need to carry at least 20l on board if travelling any distance. I have 2 mercury 25l hard plastic containers with gauge. I only fill them if I know I am out for the weekend. Does this mean legally I can only take 2x10l. What a load of !#$P

you find iirc - that dedicated fuel tanks - ie portable tanks are ok to fill up... IMHO it's a big crazy since the jerry cans are better sealed.

You can get round most by trailing the fuel cans in trailer - as somebody said RNLI do that, some clubs do it too. You need fire extinguisher.

i been told self service / unmanned filling stations are your friend !

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Why do these things always group different fuel types into the same law? The hazards associated with gasoline and gasoil are very different, the flashpoint is no where near the same, and so the risk is not the same. A blanket law to cover all fuels it seems. Cooking oil, by the way, has a much lower flashpoint, and auto-ignition temperature than gasoil, and while maybe not used widely in residential properties, is easily bought in 50l drums. Not as tasty to eat though, diesel isn't.
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was advised by Hampshire fire and rescue that boat tanks were illegal to be filled at a petrol station unless they were physically connected to a boat, other wise they were classified as a 'can' rather than 'tank'. If it was logistically impossible to take the boat to petrol station then they recommended I ferried cans back and fought ( 2x5ltr etc) till the boat was full..........lol
Locally to me we haven't been able to fill 20ltr jerry's for a while in the supermarkets, independents are more understanding
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This is a really interesting topic.

I normally throw the SIB, outboard and all the gear in the back of my van and fill my 25l tank whilst on the way to where I'm launching.

Apparently I shouldn't be doing this?
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This is a really interesting topic.

I normally throw the SIB, outboard and all the gear in the back of my van and fill my 25l tank whilst on the way to where I'm launching.

Apparently I shouldn't be doing this?
I have been filling my two 25 litre tanks plus two 20 litre Jerry cans at my local Sainsbury's without any problems for the last three years, then last month I took my two 25 litre tanks which go under the jockey seat to fill them up and I was asked over the tannoy to bring them in for inspection and once the manager was happy with the c e markings on the tanks he seemed satisfied with them and let me go ahead and fill them both up.

But I suspect that eventually they will only let us use the 10 litre and 5 litre cans.

I think the only way to stay legal is leave your main fuel tanks connected to the hose under the jockey seat and take the rib with you and jump on the rib and fill up from there.

How I wish that I had a 90 litre tank fitted under the jockey console when I had the option.
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HSE advice / guidance ....

Petroleum - frequently asked questions - Fire and explosion

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http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1.../contents/made

seems fairly well written and understandable to me.
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I think the only way to stay legal is leave your main fuel tanks connected to the hose under the jockey seat and take the rib with you and jump on the rib and fill up from there. :
You're probably right there. That's difficult to do however with a flat pack SIB.
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You're probably right there. That's difficult to do however with a flat pack SIB.
Wonder what they would say if you turned up & started filling up a flexi fuel bladder ( the sausage type ) around your neck . Lol Already had another customer nearby who though that i was just filling the sponsons with petrol : /
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Wonder what they would say if you turned up & started filling up a flexi fuel bladder ( the sausage type ) around your neck . Lol Already had another customer nearby who though that i was just filling the sponsons with petrol : /
Now that would be funny why not give it a try and report back
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Now that would be funny why not give it a try and report back
No doubt someone will think its a lifejacket : ) Theres only a few pump nozzles that fit down the neck in my area too ,most are a tad too large its easier just using a funnel.
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Now that would be funny why not give it a try and report back
I have a 150 L tank you can put some fuel in if you like.
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I have a 150 L tank you can put some fuel in if you like.
How can that be funny
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