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kerny · 01 June 2014, 18:53

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Originally Posted by Crusher

Hope your as happy with it as I with mine Kerny. Make sure you let us know how you get on with it.

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Here you go Crusher... I fitted them yesterday and the clarity is superb although taking a pic of my monitor does not do it any justice the night vision is very good too.

kerny · 01 June 2014, 19:08

A better pic.

tony t · 01 June 2014, 19:10

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Originally Posted by kerny

A better pic.

Give you sumat else to look at besides you tube

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kerny · 01 June 2014, 19:33

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Originally Posted by tony t

Give you sumat else to look at besides you tube

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Gud'n T T

I think I've slipped up doing this ... every Tom, Dick and Harry is parking outside my house now

tonymac · 01 June 2014, 20:11

I see you have part of your neighbours driveway and their front door on the cam photo. Did you have to inform them and did you (or do you need to ) put a notice up about the CCTV?

I seem to recall that if you have CCTV and it is covering part of public highway that passersby have a right to get a copy of the part of the recorded images of them passing by. I think that there is a scam going about that if you don't give them a copy (albeit far an admin charge) they can bring you to court and are awarded an auto £2000

Now maybe I'm wrong and that does not apply any more ........ ??

kerny · 01 June 2014, 20:23

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Originally Posted by tonymac

I see you have part of your neighbours driveway and their front door on the cam photo. Did you have to inform them and did you (or do you need to ) put a notice up about the CCTV?

I seem to recall that if you have CCTV and it is covering part of public highway that passersby have a right to get a copy of the part of the recorded images of them passing by. I think that there is a scam going about that if you don't give them a copy (albeit far an admin charge) they can bring you to court and are awarded an auto £2000

Now maybe I'm wrong and that does not apply any more ........ ??

My neighbours have CCTV too and they have part of my drive as well.....
as for passers by ....

Does that mean that all our towns, city's, pubs , shops, supermarkets and banks etc, etc
count as well

Linky...http://www.problemneighbours.co.uk/c...d-the-law.html

Bigmuz7 · 01 June 2014, 20:58

Ive given up on using a triggered system as there are so many false ones... I now use a huge 2 TB hard drive setup that records all cameras all the time, and just overwrites its self once its full ... theres enough space for about 3 weeks worth of recording, so plenty of time to review any 'incidents' .. plus .. all the cams have no cable exposed so they cannot be cut, its housed inside the mounts

kerny · 01 June 2014, 21:31

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Originally Posted by Bigmuz7

Ive given up on using a triggered system as there are so many false ones... I now use a huge 2 TB hard drive setup that records all cameras all the time, and just overwrites its self once its full ... theres enough space for about 3 weeks worth of recording, so plenty of time to review any 'incidents' .. plus .. all the cams have no cable exposed so they cannot be cut, its housed inside the mounts

My DVR does the same but I can set up a perimeter for when and where it activates, for example, if you have a tree or bushes you can skip round it to stop the cameras activating when they blow about in the wind so it saves clogging up you hard drive with false alerts.

As for hidden cables if they are going to cut them they would have been caught already by the recording camera.

tony t · 01 June 2014, 21:58

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Originally Posted by kerny

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As for hidden cables if they are going to cut them they would have been caught already by the recording camera.

I'm on a mission now

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kerny · 01 June 2014, 22:01

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Originally Posted by tony t

I'm on a mission now

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So its true then

tonymac · 01 June 2014, 22:52

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Originally Posted by kerny

Does that mean that all our towns, city's, pubs , shops, supermarkets and banks etc, etc
count as well

Linky...CCTV, Privacy and The Law

About 10 years ago a guy came to reception of my school. He demanded to see our CCTV policy and wanted a copy of our video (no DTV then!) of him walking past our gates on the public road. When I was called by my secretary I was stumped!
Turned out he worked for the local education authority and was just highlighting the legal scenario for all schools with CCTV. (He organised a policy, check-tables for maintenance etc).
He also cited cases of various banks that had small court cases taken against them by an organised group of knowledgeable people who knew the law about CCTV capturing images in public places.
Now this was 10 years ago. I have retired from school and work elsewhere now so I'm not current on leglislation.
Can someone else help here??

kerny · 01 June 2014, 22:55

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Originally Posted by tonymac

About 10 years ago a guy came to reception of my school. He demanded to see our CCTV policy and wanted a copy of our video (no DTV then!) of him walking past our gates on the public road. When I was called by my secretary I was stumped!
Turned out he worked for the local education authority and was just highlighting the legal scenario for all schools with CCTV. (He organised a policy, check-tables for maintenance etc).
He also cited cases of various banks that had small court cases taken against them by an organised group of knowledgeable people who knew the law about CCTV capturing images in public places.
Now this was 10 years ago. I have retired from school and work elsewhere now so I'm not current on leglislation.
Can someone else help here??

Polyyyyyyyyy.....

Poly · 01 June 2014, 23:12

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Originally Posted by tonymac

About 10 years ago a guy came to reception of my school. He demanded to see our CCTV policy and wanted a copy of our video (no DTV then!) of him walking past our gates on the public road. When I was called by my secretary I was stumped!
Turned out he worked for the local education authority and was just highlighting the legal scenario for all schools with CCTV. (He organised a policy, check-tables for maintenance etc).
He also cited cases of various banks that had small court cases taken against them by an organised group of knowledgeable people who knew the law about CCTV capturing images in public places.
Now this was 10 years ago. I have retired from school and work elsewhere now so I'm not current on leglislation.
Can someone else help here??

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Originally Posted by kerny

Polyyyyyyyyy.....

You rang!

Tony - it sounds like he was trying to scare* you with aspects of the data protection act which apply to CCTV images. The DPA doesn't apply to individuals for domestic use (rather than companies / councils etc).

I believe from a brief discussion with Willk a while back that the rules in "the South" are tougher than "the North".

*I'm sceptical that his cited cases were all real, a bit like 'elf n safety people these stories often involve a lot of chinese whispers, and it supports his task so he's not going be overly worried about the facts!

tonymac · 01 June 2014, 23:50

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Originally Posted by Poly

You rang!

Tony - it sounds like he was trying to scare* you with aspects of the data protection act which apply to CCTV images. The DPA doesn't apply to individuals for domestic use (rather than companies / councils etc).

I believe from a brief discussion with Willk a while back that the rules in "the South" are tougher than "the North".

*I'm sceptical that his cited cases were all real, a bit like 'elf n safety people these stories often involve a lot of chinese whispers, and it supports his task so he's not going be overly worried about the facts!

Thanks for this Poly.

Yes I'm aware that the DPA does not apply to domestic installations but the Human Rights Act does and that includes some privacy elements that are slightly unclear when it comes to domestic CCTV.
I'm only thankful that the LEA sent this guy out - he looked after all paperwork and dealt with all enquirys for me. (It was in the North)
You are right in your assessment about the differences between the North and South. In my current role I had a discussion with the DP people in Dublin. Before they would talk with me they cautioned me!
I have CCTV at my house also. It covers a small part of my neighbours driveway. I called him in, showed him the video and asked him if he was ok with it. Short circuited all problems at the start.

Bigmuz7 · 01 June 2014, 23:55

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Originally Posted by tony t

I'm on a mission now

Aye thats you grounded

.. no more pinching ladies bras, stockings, and knickers off washing lines eh ?

Poly · 02 June 2014, 00:02

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Originally Posted by tonymac

but the Human Rights Act does and that includes some privacy elements that are slightly unclear when it comes to domestic CCTV.

No it doesn't - the Human Rights Act only applies to 'the state' (and its agents) so government bodies etc but not individuals or even most companies.

tonymac · 02 June 2014, 00:08

Ok I stand corrected. Thanks for that Poly

kerny · 02 June 2014, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Bigmuz7

Aye thats you grounded

.. no more pinching ladies bras, stockings, and knickers off washing lines eh ?

Thats shut him up

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Originally Posted by tonymac

Ok I stand corrected. Thanks for that Poly

If in doubt give poly a shout... he's the RIBnet equivalent of Google

HUMBER P4VWL · 02 June 2014, 13:27

Problem you have is that unless you can get back to the property as it's happening, your boat will still go. You'll just have great shots of an average looking thief in the act. Car reg's are usually stolen so they're useless too.

Even if he is recognised by the police, your boat will have likely gone and he'll have to pay 20p a month for 10 yrs back to you if it ever gets anywhere.

Our business estate was rampant with thefts for a while. Security to stop them getting in, alarms on entry and on site presence/reaction (human or animal) is the only real solution.

Bitter experience unfortunately.

You may be just as well spending the money on other safety things to prevent it being nicked.

kerny · 02 June 2014, 13:38

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Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL

Problem you have is that unless you can get back to the property as it's happening, your boat will still go. You'll just have great shots of an average looking thief in the act. Car reg's are usually stolen so they're useless too.

Even if he is recognised by the police, your boat will have likely gone and he'll have to pay 20p a month for 10 yrs back to you if it ever gets anywhere.

Our business estate was rampant with thefts for a while. Security to stop them getting in, alarms on entry and on site presence/reaction (human or animal) is the only real solution.

Bitter experience unfortunately.

You may be just as well spending the money on other safety things to prevent it being nicked.

What a load of bollixs....Domestic cctv has proven time and again that it works as your average tea leaf will just pass on to somewhere a lot easier, even so called reformed thieves will tell you this.

Professional thieves are a different matter and as for 20 pence a month if my rib was nicked what do you think we have insurance for

Also if someone tried to abduct a child while playing on the drive or garden I think that cctv footage would be invaluable.

If i did not work nobody would have it.