Land Rover Defender

[mister p]

There was a Land Rover
That wouldn't turn over
It was a bit rusty
And smelt a bit musty
But that's a Landie over and over

[willk]

Originally Posted by wiLlfish

dats a gud iydea. pritending dat yorr de polis

noe slipwaiy feas
noe speedin tikkits
frea birgers @ mcdukks
frea donuts @ downuts r uz

de lisst gows onn.........................

Hang about, that makes no sense! YOU don't pretend to be the cunts constabbu constabullery police and YOU don't pay for any of that stuff either!

[gotchiguy]

the new deafner will not be out until at least 2015 and the new engine fitted to MY12 sees the current model through until 2017 at least. It is simply the pedestrian regulations that the current model falls short upon.

Based on customer appraisal of the DC100 (simply an RRS in drag) Land Rover are going to display a more utilitarian long wheelbase pickup at one of the big shows this year. Thats the biggest problem with replacing it - the versatility of the current model, and how that can be translated into something a little more modern.

Don't forget that it was thanks to the original RR that the stage one's leafs were transformed into the coils of the deafner and thus improved drive ability etc. If the new deafner is based on the current RR then it should be no bad thing. This issue is the ability for customer modification, not only between bodystyles as is currently so easy but also for 6x6 conversions etc - the chassis cab version must continue to be produced, but with a monocoque chasis, how easy that is going to be to acheive is another matter.

[chewy]

Originally Posted by gotchiguy

Don't forget that it was thanks to the original RR that the stage one's leafs were transformed into the coils of the deafner and thus improved drive ability etc. If the new deafner is based on the current RR then it should be no bad thing. This issue is the ability for customer modification, not only between bodystyles as is currently so easy but also for 6x6 conversions etc - the chassis cab version must continue to be produced, but with a monocoque chasis, how easy that is going to be to acheive is another matter.

When was a 6x6 conversion classed as easy?

[Kraken999]

mister P. 'Tis Boddinick Ferry in the background. Well spotted.

wilLfish. Ssshhhhh. I've managed to pretend for nearly 30 years. You've let the cat out of the bag now. Mind you I think they've noticed as they're casting me adrift next year due to the cut backs then I'll have to try and get a proper job!

[Jeff Hutcheon]

Most people who go off road leave them off any way ??, I look after a fleet of 10 L,Rovers including Life Guard and Ranger vehicles and 90% of the time they get torn off, (off road).
Jeff.

[Kraken999]

Originally Posted by willk

Hang about, that makes no sense! YOU don't pretend to be the cunts constabbu constabullery police and YOU don't pay for any of that stuff either!

Not quite right. I bought and paid for the sea rider (ask Matt h), trailer, commercial insurance, MCA coding, Police certification, safety equipment and crew training up to comm endorsed APB & yacht master. Plus I pay the harbour & launching dues and do much of the work in my own time. The forces contribution is the use of their vehicle some fuel & time.

Why? Because marine crime is not a priority for Police Forces but it is for me. So rather than drip about it I've got on and done something about it and as a consequence with the support of local boat watches, mariners like yourself, harbour authorities and E.A. We have reduced marine crime in my area by 50% since 2008 and arrested and convicted a number of marine thieves.

Cost to me personally around 10k so far. Please don't tar an entire organisation with one brush. You know what they say about assuming.

[mister p]

Good on you Kraken. And being a London lad I'm quite chuffed at the ferry "spot". Not much gave it away.

[willk]

Originally Posted by Kraken999

You know what they say about assuming.

I do indeed. You, for example, have assumed that my post was directed at you, whereas it was in fact, in response to wiLlfish's intemperate remarks.

Sorry if I caused any confusion, I thought that using the Quotes would avoid that.

Here, if you're a marine crime fighting Detective, maybe you could do us all a favour and find out who wiLlfish REALLY is?

[kerny]

Originally Posted by willk

I do indeed. You, for example, have assumed that my post was directed at you, whereas it was in fact, in response to wiLlfish's intemperate remarks.

Sorry if I caused any confusion, I thought that using the Quotes would avoid that.

Here, if you're a marine crime fighting Detective, maybe you could do us all a favour and find out who wiLlfish REALLY is?

what unmask/stocking wiLfish

[willk]

Originally Posted by kerny

what unmask/stocking wiLfish

No, I'm all for it. He's been out of control for too long and I'm at my wits end...

[tony t]

Originally Posted by willk

No, I'm all for it. He's been out of control for too long and I'm at my wits end...

Wonder if he will turn up on the Irish cruise

[Chris Caton]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hutcheon

Most people who go off road leave them off any way ??, I look after a fleet of 10 L,Rovers including Life Guard and Ranger vehicles and 90% of the time they get torn off, (off road).
Jeff.

i wondered wot it was you did, i thought you were only there to feed the gold fish

[gotchiguy]

Originally Posted by chewy

When was a 6x6 conversion classed as easy?

Welding two longer bits of box section and chucking an axle underneath is pretty simple?


Relative to the modification of a monocoque for the same purpose. There's a reason why there were so many Carmicheal etc conversions of the original RR but you'll be hard pressed to find the same done to a modern RR, a few limo conversions aside.

[chewy]

Originally Posted by gotchiguy

Welding two longer bits of box section and chucking an axle underneath is pretty simple?


Relative to the modification of a monocoque for the same purpose. There's a reason why there were so many Carmicheal etc conversions of the original RR but you'll be hard pressed to find the same done to a modern RR, a few limo conversions aside.

That would be a 6x4, a 6x6 would have 6 driven wheels.

[ronin]

Good link on 6x6 Defenders ....

Manfred's 6x6 Land Rover

[gotchiguy]

Originally Posted by chewy

That would be a 6x4, a 6x6 would have 6 driven wheels.

Well yes that's true!?

Nearly all the Carmicheal RRs were 6x4 and most deafner conversions are 6x4. There's a Swansea?? Airport FD deafner with 6x6 and some of the TACR2s were 6x6 I think. However for simplicity's sake most firms/people would use a normal defender rear axle for the third axle and hence shouldn't adding drive to the rearmost axle be a fairly simply operation?

Thinking about it though, that's complete rubbish! How do they get power from the middle diff to the rear...that's really not something I would know how to do at all!

The Jersey F.D. TACR pickup trucks were 6x4 I think?

[willk]

Real 6X6. Spotted on tour in Iceland. I was (as a Defender driver) a little unmanned in it's presence. Scornfully I muttered: Where would you go with that lump?

Well, said donegaldan, anywhere you wanted to, I suppose....

[mick]

At least when you drive a Defener others wave at you.

[mister p]

.........as you sit camped on a pile of rusty metal on the hard shoulder waving