MAIB report into fatal collision St.Mawes

[roycruse]

Originally Posted by Alice

I know this stretch of water well, the big mistake was to "cut" the corner on the castle side. Lights and alcohol aside, if they'd come out of the middle of the Percuil and then lined up for Falmouth the chances of a collision would have been miniscule. Cutting the corner under the castle was effectively driving around a blind bend. Also, at night there is a huge amount of ambient light given off over Falmouth and the Docks so spotting anything unlit and small in the water is very difficult. There was another similar situation in the same stretch of water a couple of weeks later, fortunately the outcome was not fatal.

The water taxi colided with an unlit fishing boat which sank on falmouth week fireworks night as well (or is that what you were referring too) I still say lights LIGHTS LIGHTS - you are f**king not all there if you go out at night without them... and in my opinion deserve to have your boat sunk !!!

[Richard B]

Originally Posted by roycruse

... and in my opinion deserve to have your boat sunk !!!

A bit harsh!

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by Richard B

A bit harsh!

You wouldn't be thinking that if someone had just taken off using your tubes as a ramp and his prop had decapitated a family member.

[jwalker]

Originally Posted by roycruse

.. and in my opinion deserve to have your boat sunk !!!

Sounds about right.

[Alice]

Originally Posted by roycruse

The water taxi colided with an unlit fishing boat which sank on falmouth week fireworks night as well (or is that what you were referring too) I still say lights LIGHTS LIGHTS - you are f**king not all there if you go out at night without them... and in my opinion deserve to have your boat sunk !!!

I totally agree, but in the St.Mawes incident there were other factors which resulted in the collision, primarily cutting the corner in my mind. The thing that I find most shocking was the fact that these guys were local, experienced boatmen. Not clueless 2nd hand car dealers out in their 1st boat.

[Scary Des]

Before we digressed to talking about lights we were talking about drink boating which I think is an important issue.

The MAIB placed greater emphasised in their conclusions on alcohol than they did on using lights and knowledge of the COLREGS both of which were far more instrumental in this accident.

If I were paranoid I would jump to the conclusion that this is a government conspiracy to further control generally law abiding people Not being paranoid (well maybe not) I think it is another example of PC thinking, drink kills, speed kills, cars kill etc and I worry where it will end.

Once those in authority start to control something the more and more control they will try to exert, no drinking, compulsory life jackets, boat MOT’s, driving licences, driving tests, sea (road) fund licence, seat belts, mirrors Des

[roycruse]

I think you will have to accept that its coming - its only a matter of time before these kind of restrictions exist. With more and more people having disposable income and more and more people taking to recreation on the water there are going to be more accidents and that will be followed by more regulations.

The only thing we can hope for is that it doesn't get too much of an inconvenience to our current way of life.

But in all honesty I would have no problem with boat MOT's and compulsory training (ie a level 2) not overly keen on compulsory life jackets but that's just my own personal taste i like to reserve my life jacket for when I'm pushing the envelope - not pottering around in an estuary with the kids.

The other thing you have to consider is the ability to police such regulations - un-enforcable rules are pointless - the ocean is a very big place.

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by Scary Des

Before we digressed to talking about lights we were talking about drink boating which I think is an important issue.

The MAIB placed greater emphasised in their conclusions on alcohol than they did on using lights and knowledge of the COLREGS both of which were far more instrumental in this accident.

If I were paranoid I would jump to the conclusion that this is a government conspiracy to further control generally law abiding people Not being paranoid (well maybe not) I think it is another example of PC thinking, drink kills, speed kills, cars kill etc and I worry where it will end.

Once those in authority start to control something the more and more control they will try to exert, no drinking, compulsory life jackets, boat MOT’s, driving licences, driving tests, sea (road) fund licence, seat belts, mirrors Des

Bloody hell I am in TOTAL agreement!!!

I don't smoke or drink but if there is one thing I REALLY hate it is this government BANNING things.

I mean - smoking in pubs/clubs - I detest smoking but as the majority of people in pubs/clubs smoke then let them.

It's like with drugs - I reckon they should legalise the lot. If the little shits could buy their heroin in Tesco it would come down to the same price as a bag of sugar - you never hear of anyone stealing to fund their sugar addiction do you??? Drug related crime would cease overnight and with a bit of luck all the druggies would overdose so much they would die and stop sponging off the state!!!

[roycruse]

Id rather my kids couldn't go into Morrison's and buy a 2kg bag of smack thank you.

I too hate restrictions on my life but at the same time if a law or regulation is just enforcing common senses it shouldn't really affect those who are sensible anyway.

Unfortunately this is not often the case and they do go too far. But it will be a better man than any of us who can confidently stand there and say for sure what is definitely right and wrong.

For now I thank my lucky stars its not codprawn who gets to make those decisions...

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by roycruse

Id rather my kids couldn't go into Morrison's and buy a 2kg bag of smack thank you.

I too hate restrictions on my life but at the same time if a law or regulation is just enforcing common senses it shouldn't really affect those who are sensible anyway.

Unfortunately this is not often the case and they do go too far. But it will be a better man than any of us who can confidently stand there and say for sure what is definitely right and wrong.

For now I thank my lucky stars its not codprawn who gets to make those decisions...

Well I would have thought you would have brought your kids up to avoid such things? I was offered drugs when I was about 8 or 9 and I had the sense to say no!!!

Maybe on sale in Tesco openly is stretching things a bit but do you realise heroin was LEGALLY available in Britain until about 1950? When they banned it there were only just over 300 registered drug addicts in the whole of the UK - how many are there now???

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4647018.stm

Look what happened with prohibition in the US - al Capone and his cronies would never have been able to compete if they had Tesco over there selling booze!!!

[jwalker]

Originally Posted by codprawn

...It's like with drugs - I reckon they should legalise the lot. If the little shits could buy their heroin in Tesco it would come down to the same price as a bag of sugar - you never hear of anyone stealing to fund their sugar addiction do you??? Drug related crime would cease overnight and with a bit of luck all the druggies would overdose so much they would die and stop sponging off the state!!!

I'm not sure I should declare support for you, Cod, but I wouldn't be sad about it.

Originally Posted by codprawn

I mean - smoking in pubs/clubs - I detest smoking but as the majority of people in pubs/clubs smoke then let them.

I don't agree with that one. They'll be in the majority because many nonsmokers vote with their feet. If a smoker comes to my house and needs a drag, they're shown the garden and they're not allowed back in until they have stopped mingin'.

Originally Posted by roycruse

Id rather my kids couldn't go into Morrison's and buy a 2kg bag of smack thank you.

You'd rather they bought it down the alleyway next to Tesco?

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by jwalker

I'm not sure I should declare support for you, Cod, but I wouldn't be sad about it.
I don't agree with that one. They'll be in the majority because many nonsmokers vote with their feet. If a smoker comes to my house and needs a drag, they're shown the garden and they're not allowed back in until they have stopped mingin'.
You'd rather they bought it down the alleyway next to Tesco?

I don't let people smoke anywhere near me - I am actually allergic to it - yes I DO vote with my feet. Having said that they opened a no smoking pub in Swansea - it closed after a few months!!!

[Cookee]

Originally Posted by codprawn

I don't smoke or drink ...........

I knew there was something wrong with you!

[Alice]

It's amazing how these threads meander off on odd tangents. We had a fatal boating accident which has now become a Morrisons v Tescos heroin supply convo!!

[Hugh Jardon]

back on thread, i think it is stupid and irresponsible to drink to excess and drive a fast boat, however how much is excess, some countries regard any amount of drink as excess. but i do beleive drink and speed related activities are a recipe for disaster. the trouble is drink and any activity can also be the recipe for disaster, like forgetting to turn lights on, being in the wrong place, not being vigilant.

trouble is on the river loads of folks drink which is part of the pleasure but i guess everyone is going very slow so there is less chance for a nasty accident but it does happen, usually in locks

just my thoughts

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by Cookee

I knew there was something wrong with you!

Nothing against drinking - just don't like the stuff - some of the alkopops are ok but that's about it!!!

Smoking is a different story though - yuk!!!

[Alice]

Originally Posted by codprawn

Nothing against drinking - just don't like the stuff - some of the alkopops are ok but that's about it!!!

Smoking is a different story though - yuk!!!

Deja vu!!! My 13yo neice uttered those same words about a week ago!! Do you Know her Codders?!! Or worse, AMY ARE YOU CODPRAWN?!!!!!

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by Alice

Deja vu!!! My 13yo neice uttered those same words about a week ago!! Do you Know her Codders?!! Or worse, AMY ARE YOU CODPRAWN?!!!!!

No my mental age isn't that advanced - gets worrying when an 8 yr old tells you to grow up!!!

[Jimbob]

I think the most important thing is to ensure you dont make the same mistakes and we all have have a safe season boating

[ADS]

Originally Posted by codprawn

Nothing against drinking - just don't like the stuff - some of the alkopops are ok but that's about it!!!

Smoking is a different story though - yuk!!!

Must be the first 110 v8 owner to ever drink bacardi breezers