Manual vs Automatic Cars - Page 4

Jono · 10 November 2005, 18:17

To be fair, Des.. he could be 102 years old.... you just don't know..

Scary Des · 10 November 2005, 18:26

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Originally Posted by Jono

To be fair, Des.. he could be 102 years old.... you just don't know..

Or even older

here is a photo

DM · 10 November 2005, 18:27

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Originally Posted by jwalker

explain to me the difference?

If I may be so bold Mr. W, I'll do that.

One of the examples given is far more efficient at slowing the vehicle down than the other.

DM

jwalker · 10 November 2005, 18:32

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Originally Posted by codprawn

.. although I do change down on roundabouts etc to avoid kickdown which can unsettle the handling.

Kickdown is the changing down of an auto box when the accelerator pedal is pressed firmly for the purpose of accelerating briskly. As I said, I'm doubtful as to your experience of driving automatics.

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As to British main roads not needing it ..

I don't remember saying that.

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I had read that you can't put an autobox into too low a gear but I have NEVER tried - I have too much mechanical empathy for that!!!

Why would you nead 'mechanical empathy'? It wont change down.

And if you have all this mechanical empathy, how come you are getting disc brakes to the point of fading?

codprawn · 10 November 2005, 18:33

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Originally Posted by davidmanning

Sounds to me like you need lessons. You don't seem to understand the basic principles of defensive driving or that there may be driving techniques of which you are unaware.

Now, don't tell me. You've never had an accident.

DM

And what exactly leads you to that conclusion? There are plenty of driving techniques I am aware of - don't have to apporove of them though!!!

I have actually had an accident - in 1989 when I was a very unexperienced driver .Swerved to avoid some debris on the motorway(fridge off a lorry) and ended up going down a 30' embankment with no crash barrier into a concerete ditch at 75mph - ouch!!!

Taught me that next time it would be better to HIT the debris!!!

jwalker · 10 November 2005, 18:33

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Originally Posted by davidmanning

One of the examples given is far more efficient at slowing the vehicle down than the other.

Jono · 10 November 2005, 18:34

**Aimed at no one in particular**

Matt used to have a good signature line...

" Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with their experience"...

DM · 10 November 2005, 18:37

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Originally Posted by Jono

Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with their experience".

I surrender.

DM

Jono · 10 November 2005, 18:37

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Originally Posted by davidmanning

I surrender.

DM

codprawn · 10 November 2005, 18:39

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Originally Posted by jwalker

Kickdown is the changing down of an auto box when the accelerator pedal is pressed firmly for the purpose of accelerating briskly. As I said, I'm doubtful as to your experience of driving automatics.

I don't remember saying that.

Why would you nead 'mechanical empathy'? I wont change down.

And if you have all this mechanical empathy, how come you are getting disc brakes to the point of fading?

"Whilst it is good practice on particularly steep hills, just as a vehicle control measure, the majority of british main roads do not have inclines steep enough to require it." is what you said.

I am WELL aware of what kickdown is - which is why if you change down BEFORE hand you don't get unexpected kickdown when you dont want it!!!

The mechanical empathy bit means that I couldn't bring myself to stick a gearbox into 1st at 60mph just to see if it would let me!!!

codprawn · 10 November 2005, 18:41

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Originally Posted by davidmanning

I surrender.

DM

I see so you just call me an idiot without even bothering to explain why you kept on contradicting yourself.......

DM · 10 November 2005, 18:49

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Originally Posted by codprawn

I see so you just call me an idiot without even bothering to explain why you kept on contradicting yourself.......

At no time did I call you an idiot but I must confess I was thinking it.

And please point out where I contradicted myself.

DM

hard1 · 10 November 2005, 18:52

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Originally Posted by davidmanning

At no time did I call you an idiot but I must confess I was thinking it.

And please point out where I contradicted myself.

DM

This - is - unreal. It's - happened - again - on - yet - another - thread.

I don't think the Trolls should be fed....

Such an innocent original question too. Oh well.....

codprawn · 10 November 2005, 18:53

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Originally Posted by davidmanning

At no time did I call you an idiot but I must confess I was thinking it.

And please point out where I contradicted myself.

DM

Implied then!!!

By saying "in the right gear" and yet saying you should use the brakes to slow the vehicle not the engine.

Surely you can see that by being in the "right gear" you are also using engine braking???

codprawn · 10 November 2005, 18:54

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Originally Posted by hard1

This - is - unreal. It's - happened - again - on - yet - another - thread.

I don't think the Trolls should be fed....

Such an innocent original question too. Oh well.....

Who is being the Troll????

DM · 10 November 2005, 19:09

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Surely you can see that by being in the "right gear" you are also using engine braking???

Not if you're accelerating.

I could go into a detailed explanation but it would be far easier for you to buy a copy of the police driving manual 'Roadcraft' and all will be revealed.

DM

Mark Halliday · 10 November 2005, 19:09

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Originally Posted by codprawn

By saying "in the right gear" and yet saying you should use the brakes to slow the vehicle not the engine.

Surely you can see that by being in the "right gear" you are also using engine braking???

OK. Who is going to explain the "Heal and Toe" technique? Which is, as you know, much used with auto boxes.

I cant find my wife's copy of Roadcraft, so from memory, you slow the car and select the correct gear for the speed to which you have slowed. Manual boxes only.

Scary Des · 10 November 2005, 19:16

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Who is being the Troll????

I think it’s you, O great one

and having looked it up on the mighty Google I can see why

the only thing it doesn’t mention is a perverse love of Land Rovers

but other than that it all fits.

jwalker · 10 November 2005, 19:18

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Originally Posted by Mark Halliday

OK. Who is going to explain the "Heal and Toe" technique?

Cod will be able to explain that cos he drives cars so fast he gets discbrake fade and at those speeds he's bound to be toeing and heeling.

Anyway, I too surrender.

Mark Halliday · 10 November 2005, 19:18

Hey Des

I've got a perverse love of Land Rovers.
Wot you trying to say?