My new Tonka toy!

[eupa]

Originally Posted by Nick Hearne

Why is it stupid, should I sell the house & move in to a tent?
If I can afford a £40 grand car why not if you can only afford a £20 grand car & you are happy with it well aren't you Lucky!
£20 grand sat in the bank ain't a lot of fun & driving a KIA shore ant my idea of fun!
Stupid would have to be spending lots of money on boats but we all do that!

Just wait and see -come back in 9 months and tell us if you are still delighted.
as regards the 20 grand delta -its just a waste of money. My 20 grand Kia sorento will still be going whilst they are still trying to fix your ECU. and looking thats all tacked on electronically as reagrds the Disc. that should be not too long!!!!!!!!!!!!

best regards

Jonathan

[The Garfish]

Originally Posted by eupa

People like you I spit out before breakfast.

ifn yew cann spitt dat jono owt yew mus av a verry bigg gobb. heez bilt lyke de fkin brikk shitowse butt yorr rite abowt de limitid cappasitty

wiv abbsowlewtelly fuk orl reespect

gArf

[osprey__viper]

Blimey, it's all gettin very touchy in here aint it????

Nick, good car mate I like em and if you've got 40k to spend then good on ya. It aint no body's business except yours.

Iv just sent for the details of the new Octavia 4x4 no doubt I will now get a slagging off

Eupa, I dont understand what ya gettin so upset about?? Nick's choice of car Nick's cash. So what. Its gettin to the stage on this forum that you can't share anything without someone ripping ya to shreds And as for spitting someone out for breakfast, well what can I say, outside the gates after school perhaps

Think i'll give Ribnet a mis for a bit, to me it's part of the fun side of ribbing, that is until Eupa comes along

Martin

[codprawn]

Eupa I can quite understand why Jono just couldn't be bothered to answer your drivel anymore - you are on the verge of being a troll............

As far as the Selby crash is concerned - the load on the Land Rover was NOT illegal - it was well within it's towing limits.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/railways/selby/interim1.htm

Remember ALL lorries on EU roads have trailers and loads far in excess of their tractor units - a vehicle does NOT have to or need to be heavier than it's load!!!

What caused the Selby ACCIDENT was the driver falling asleep at the wheel at the wrong time in the wrong place - if there had been a crash barrier present those people would NOT have died and Gary Hart would NOT have gone to prison.

"# Since 1998\99, there have been 31 incidents involving motorists losing control of their vehicles and landing on the railway and obstructing the line. There have been a further four incidents involving vehicles coming from road over rail bridges. In this period, 4 vehicles have been struck by trains after motorists have lost control and a further 6 trains have struck vehicles obstructing the line as a result of vandalism or criminal intent. These figures include the recent incident at Great Heck."

These people were NOT sent to prison for doing exactly the same as Gary Hart - people just seem to have forgotten the word ACCIDENT these days.

How many people out there have driven whilst tired??? TRUTHFULLY!!!!!

[codprawn]

# Vehicle/train issues
# Obstruction of railway track by road vehicles leading to collision occurs 2-3 times a year on average, whether through misadventure or (more often) through vandalism. The catastrophic consequences of this road traffic incident - which result from this unusual series of events - are wholly exceptional.


Also from the official report "Wholly exceptional"

Did Gary Hart mean to kill those people? Was he pleased he had killed those people? Would sending him to prison bring those people back?

It seems to me this really was a "wholly exceptional" ACCIDENT - ie NOT meant to happen!!!

Would he have been sent to prison if the trains had been late or he had hit a cow in a field - obviously not and yet the "crime" would have been the same - falling asleep at the wheel.

Maybe I shouldn't have opened this can of worms again but if there is one thing I HATE it's a hypocrite - to hear people criticise someone for having done EXACTLY the same themselves - just because they have got away with it does NOT make it right!!!

[eupa]

STICK TO FACTS Please!!!!!!!!!!

Gary Hart -claimed that HE HAD NOT FALLEN ASLEEP. He did admit that he lost control because the trailer started snaking. The road barrier was inadequate and he ended up on the line.His insurance company ( Fortis) paid 20 million quid in compensation and I believe another 10million after a judge decided that the barrier was adequate. Use the word "accident" with care
because people are always looking for excuses. He got 5 years and was directly responsable for the death of 10 people. Perahps if he had more experience of pullng trailers and /or ensuring the weight was more on the tow bar the trailer would not have snaked in the first place and the "accident " would not have happened. What is your experience with pulling trailers? would like to know where all your fountain of stupidity comes from

Jonathan

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by eupa

STICK TO FACTS Please!!!!!!!!!!

Gary Hart -claimed that HE HAD NOT FALLEN ASLEEP. He did admit that he lost control because the trailer started snaking. The road barrier was inadequate and he ended up on the line.His insurance company ( Fortis) paid 20 million quid in compensation and I believe another 10million after a judge decided that the barrier was adequate. Use the word "accident" with care
because people are always looking for excuses. He got 5 years and was directly responsable for the death of 10 people. Perahps if he had more experience of pullng trailers and /or ensuring the weight was more on the tow bar the trailer would not have snaked in the first place and the "accident " would not have happened. What is your experience with pulling trailers? would like to know where all your fountain of stupidity comes from

Jonathan

I would have thought the link to the Health and Safety Executive report was factual enough for you!!!!

Also there was NO barrier!!! FACT!!!!

He fell asleep at the wheel - FACT - the accident was NOT caused by a snaking trailer - FACT!!!!

How many more FACTS do you want!!!

[Jono]

Originally Posted by eupa

Just shows the limit of your intelligence. People like you I spit out before
breakfast. If you had read ( can you read with your limited capacity/) my posts- I was referring to Belgium regs- which invarabaly become eu regs.

Why dont you tell everybody how many people that guy killed whilst towing with a LR ( and overweight trailer)???- i,e answer the question.
And check your facts - go to www.landrover.be ( dated jan 2005 ) - there is no mention of towing weights as regards the Discovery ( go to specifications-if you find it difficult to follow just ask me)- and the resaon for that is that legislation is changing as regards Jono type people having accdents


With tremendeous rspect ,

jonathan

......quod erat demonstrandum....

[eupa]

Also there was NO barrier!!! FACT!!!!
Oh yes - then what was a judge looking at the requests of the insurance company- thin air


He fell asleep at the wheel - FACT Nobody was there -further witness's say the LR was being driven normally


- the accident was NOT caused by a snaking trailer - FACT!!!!

If you saw the reconstruction- using idential equiptment - you will see it was with a trailer having the axles undeneath the body. These are very unstable and prone to snaking- as distinct from trailers having the body between the wheels. But of course you are such an expert with towing trailers.....
There are no witnesses statement to the contrary and in fact the conclusions as regards the actual cause are very subjective

How many more FACTS do you want!!!
Try and read -or do you need glasses as well as a new brain?. go to www.bbc.co.uk /search /selby train accident

just tell me how many hours you have spent towing trailers in excess of 3000 kgs ...

jonathan

[osprey__viper]

Originally Posted by eupa

Also there was NO barrier!!! FACT!!!!
Oh yes - then what was a judge looking at the requests of the insurance company- thin air


He fell asleep at the wheel - FACT Nobody was there -further witness's say the LR was being driven normally


- the accident was NOT caused by a snaking trailer - FACT!!!!

If you saw the reconstruction- using idential equiptment - you will see it was with a trailer having the axles undeneath the body. These are very unstable and prone to snaking- as distinct from trailers having the body between the wheels. But of course you are such an expert with towing trailers.....
There are no witnesses statement to the contrary and in fact the conclusions as regards the actual cause are very subjective

How many more FACTS do you want!!!
Try and read -or do you need glasses as well as a new brain?. go to www.bbc.co.uk /search /selby train accident

just tell me how many hours you have spent towing trailers in excess of 3000 kgs ...

jonathan

You really are a pratt. Whats the point debating (?) this point. You have a link to the hse report. Are you so disrespectfull to the people that were involved in this tradegey that you seem to think you know best.

The guy was proven to have fell asleep at the wheel. He was also playing with a mobile phone prior to the incident. He was on a section of motorway that does not have a gradient so therefore he did not pick up speed. And yes I have thousands of hours pulling trailers, its my job.

Franklly I find your manner on this topic offensive to say the least. I saw the accident 24 hours after and it is something I will allways remember.

Perhaps in respect for those directly involved in this tradegy we should get back to the original topic, either that or let the forum moderator sort it out

Martin

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by eupa

Also there was NO barrier!!! FACT!!!!
Oh yes - then what was a judge looking at the requests of the insurance company- thin air

He fell asleep at the wheel - FACT Nobody was there -further witness's say the LR was being driven normally

How many more FACTS do you want!!!
Try and read -or do you need glasses as well as a new brain?. go to www.bbc.co.uk /search /selby train accident

just tell me how many hours you have spent towing trailers in excess of 3000 kgs ...

jonathan

For ONCE READ what people have posted and the links - then shut up!!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/selby/stor...658200,00.html

He came off the road BEFORE yes BEFORE the barrier - there was NO barrier where he came off - repeat NO BARRIER!!!

What I stated as FACTS were found by a court of LAW - now he may not have fallen asleep at the wheel etc etc but that is unfortunately what a jury decided!!!

I will NOT respond again - you are obviously to thick and stupid to carry on any sort of discussion - no wonder JONO resorted to swearing at you!!!

[eupa]

you are right --- i am thick skinned and other people'e comments about me do not peturb me one bit. I was brought up to ignore other people's opinions
and do things myself, and one last point those who have found my posts trouble- causing - "if you cant stand the heat get out of the fire"

jonathan

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by eupa

you are right --- i am thick skinned and other people'e comments about me do not peturb me one bit. I was brought up to ignore other people's opinions
and do things myself, and one last point those who have found my posts trouble- causing - "if you cant stand the heat get out of the fire"

jonathan

Are you sure you aren't Tony Blair????

[Phil Davies]

As an aside, has anyone seen a new Range Rover Sport on the road in the UK yet? Just driven back from Germany today and have seen four car transporters full of them en route through France! They look bloody gorgeous, by the way Nice of Land Rover to look after the home market first I hear they're even better off-road than the 'real Range Rover'. Codders, over to you.....

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by Phil Davies

As an aside, has anyone seen a new Range Rover Sport on the road in the UK yet? Just driven back from Germany today and have seen four car transporters full of them en route through France! They look bloody gorgeous, by the way Nice of Land Rover to look after the home market first I hear they're even better off-road than the 'real Range Rover'. Codders, over to you.....

I am seriously thinking of one - they do look cool so if our next contract will allow!!! yes I WILL take it offroad and use them the way nature intended - it is not so much rocks etc you need to worry about - more like bushes and trees on narrow lanes.

On the Disco I had on hire I did some really extreme offroading - not a scratch - on the M4 near heathrow got stone in right through one of the bumper mounted spotlights - how the hell that happened I will NEVER know!!! Cost £95 for a new one - fitted it myself - £500 excess with the hire company!!!

[Scary Des]

Originally Posted by Phil Davies

As an aside, has anyone seen a new Range Rover Sport on the road in the UK yet?

Spent yesterday at Gaydon with loads of them they do look good, even when they are dirty Des

[Phil Davies]

Do you work for Land Rover, Des? Did you get a chance to see the Sports in action?

And talking of Gaydon, I don't suppose you caught a glimpse of the new Aston Martin Vantage, did you?

[Scary Des]

Originally Posted by Phil Davies

Do you work for Land Rover, Des? Did you get a chance to see the Sports in action?

And talking of Gaydon, I don't suppose you caught a glimpse of the new Aston Martin Vantage, did you?

Amongst other things I act as an agent for European suppliers to the PAG group so I am currently involved with several projects at Land Rover, AML and Jaguar You see all sorts of things at Gaydon most of which they don’t like you to talk about
Had the mixed pleasure of being driven around the test track in a DB9 Volante good, because it is a great car, bad because I wanted to drive and don’t yet have the licence for Gaydon Des

[Phil Davies]

Originally Posted by Scary Des

Amongst other things I act as an agent for European suppliers to the PAG group

Do let me know if you have any jobs coming up; I speak fluent German and French and luuuurv cars

DB9 Volante - now that's just dirty But have you seen the new Vantage yet?? Go on, I won't tell anyone, honest.

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by Phil Davies

Do let me know if you have any jobs coming up; I speak fluent German and French and luuuurv cars

DB9 Volante - now that's just dirty But have you seen the new Vantage yet?? Go on, I won't tell anyone, honest.

Mate of mine has a DB7 vantage - has a DB9 on order - due July - has already placed an order for an new V8 Vantage cos of the waiting list - went around the factory with him to see the DB9 - very impressive - but not as nice as the old place in Newport Pagnell where they still make the Vanquish I believe.

Starting to feel a bit left out now - other mates have a Lambo and a Ferrari 360spyder - has the new F430 coming soon - at least I get to drive them quite a bit - they too scared to take em round a track!!! Managed to cook the brakes on the 360 big time - and he reckoned he wouldn't need the ceramic option on the 430!!!