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23 January 2006, 18:57
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Outhill copies..
I've just listed my Outhill Jockey seat on ebay, and when I went to the Outhill site for the measurements I noticed they were carrying a warning about product copies by some established names..( link.) Whatever happened to the copyright law, or doesn't it exist in boatbuilding?? 
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23 January 2006, 18:59
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Whoa... 
They've certainly named names!
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23 January 2006, 19:19
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Whatever happened to the copyright law, or doesn't it exist in boatbuilding?? |
Leeway would probably be the man to ask, I'd be interested to hear his views on the subject!
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23 January 2006, 19:20
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copyright law
I think copyright only exists with a GRP product if the splash (copied Item) will not fit into the original mould. So all you have to do is stretch it widthways a little bit or maybe put a little fin on the rear and you haven't violated copyright law. It's also an expensive thing to enforce and it happens a fair bit.
The ethical situation is up to oneself I guess
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23 January 2006, 19:23
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Thats the whole problem with designs and patents etc - they often aren't worth the paper they are written on - what it really comes down to in the end is who can pay for the biggest legal team.
As Rogue says - a few minor changes are often all you need.
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23 January 2006, 22:41
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I dont think the copy right laws stand with Solent and Humber with Outhill
I belive the pure fact that Humber and Solent put Fiberglass in to their consoles and outhill just use kleenex tisues would be the main issue.
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23 January 2006, 22:45
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[QUOTE=Jono Garton
I belive the pure fact that Humber and Solent put Fiberglass in to their consoles and outhill just use kleenex tisues would be the main issue. [/QUOTE
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24 January 2006, 07:33
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ok, I understand the general concept that it would have to be an exact replica to be regarded as a copy.. So, for Outhill to name the copiers, then they must regard them as exact copies, otherwise the companies named would ask for their removal from the list..
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I belive the pure fact that Humber and Solent put Fiberglass in to their consoles and outhill just use kleenex tisues would be the main issue.
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Apart from the orange ones.. 
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24 January 2006, 09:51
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I must admit I think Outhill consoles are abit over priced and over rated. They do look nice I guess, but there are cheaper alternatives such as those made by leeway that do job just as well. Im not sure outhill consoles are good value for money, mine is only a couple of years old and now has all sorts of crazing on it, and it was probably £600+
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I had an orange one on my Searider - after 6 years the colour was very blotchy.
I don't think they do orange any more?
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24 January 2006, 12:55
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Leeway would probably be the man to ask, I'd be interested to hear his views on the subject!
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24 January 2006, 13:10
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From what I belive, the Solent's consoles are a Porter/own design.
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24 January 2006, 15:17
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From what I belive, the Solent's consoles are a Porter/own design.
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24 January 2006, 15:27
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Same as the hulls then
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24 January 2006, 16:30
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Only what I was told, Pal! 
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taik noe notiss ov dat diggi nobbur. he finks yew splasht a fantum butt ifn i remembir corekly fantums didunt av a banarner shaypt runnin sirfiss.
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24 January 2006, 17:36
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Same as the hulls then
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What you mean like the 5.4 SR that "Search & Rescue" not "Sea Rider"
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25 January 2006, 11:49
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taik noe notiss ov dat diggi nobbur. he finks yew splasht a fantum butt ifn i remembir corekly fantums didunt av a banarner shaypt runnin sirfiss.
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25 January 2006, 13:09
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What you mean like the 5.4 SR that "Search & Rescue" not "Sea Rider" |
Are you accusing me of splashing a Searider 
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Are you accusing me of splashing a Searider |
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