Peace for the 'lets see your rig thread' ;-)

[willk]

Originally Posted by gotchiguy

Yup

The magic of email notifications giving the unedited copy

Fair dos. Maybe he's at war with the Big Bullies in International Companies. In his video he mentioned that they reminded him of the bullies in the schoolyard...

[Nos4r2]

I take it you're aware that politics are banned on this forum?

[Al Baker]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

I take it you're aware that politics are banned on this forum?

I fail to see where politics are involved.

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Al Baker

I fail to see where politics are involved.

Debates about the virtues or otherwise of 'capitalism' versus 'environmentalism' are inevitably intrinsically linked to politics. Indeed I'd suggest that any 'eco' debate is likely to basically be a political one too. Its quite clear this thread is likely to be heading that way if it has not already. One of the great things about RIBnet is that the two topics most likely to get people wounds up and vitreolic with each other - politics and religion - are totally off limits. Members who go trolling to try and get into such an argument should be careful.

[Al Baker]

Originally Posted by Poly

Debates about the virtues or otherwise of 'capitalism' versus 'environmentalism' are inevitably intrinsically linked to politics. Indeed I'd suggest that any 'eco' debate is likely to basically be a political one too. Its quite clear this thread is likely to be heading that way if it has not already. One of the great things about RIBnet is that the two topics most likely to get people wounds up and vitreolic with each other - politics and religion - are totally off limits. Members who go trolling to try and get into such an argument should be careful.

If you guys want to talk about politics then go ahead. personally I have no interest in it.

[Nos4r2]

Probably best to end the rhetoric then

[Al Baker]

My interest in this forum is to learn and to share experiences born of a common interest in Ribs. I've been attacked for my environmental beliefs and values in the media, in pubs, at parties at work, not to mention internet forums. After 22 years it's kind of like water off a ducks back for me (not to mention slightly boring)
Anyway, as I mentioned, I'm here to share rib experience and hopefully to gain from it. If you want to try and change the way I think....well....good luck I reckon.

[Nos4r2]

I have no interest in changing the way you think, or attacking you for thinking like it. Maybe rhetoric was a bad choice of word.

Basically, the rule is no politics. That means no eco-politics as well.

[Al Baker]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

I have no interest in changing the way you think, or attacking you for thinking like it. Maybe rhetoric was a bad choice of word.

Basically, the rule is no politics. That means no eco-politics as well.

I didn't mention politics and I've no interest in discussing it here. I'm interested in discussing ribs. Which I work with both in and outside Greenpeace.

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by Al Baker

Good point, however, hopefully before too long such protesting will serve to bring about change and offer alternatives. Until then we're a bit stuck with it.

Originally Posted by Al Baker

Well it was decided to can the project for a couple of reasons, one being not to try and make headlines while the world was concerned about flooded nuclear power stations (a bit rude) and the other was to free up resources in order to get to Japan and begin work there. Personally I would have pushed on regardless, however sometimes it's best to leave strategy to the strategists.
Both Nuclear and oil campaigns have and always did have solid long term strategy.

Originally Posted by Al Baker

A considerable amount of the organizations budget goes into alternatives. Promoting rather than developing. Developing Alternatives is best left to specialists in those respective fields. It's an uphill struggle trying to create change in a world where all money is tied up in businesses whos interest is to maintain the status quo. Ie, oil, coal, gas etc.

As for the thrill of high speed boating Greenpeace uses ribs as tools for specific jobs rather than speeding around for the sake of pure enjoyment.
As far as I was aware, this site is about boats. Herein is a vast pool of boating and technical experience which I have found to be very useful.
Not to mention members who have been very helpful.

Originally Posted by Al Baker

Those involved were well aware of the possible dangers. They chose to put their lives on the line for something they believe in.

Originally Posted by Al Baker

Well perhaps war is a bit to strong a word, Battle might describe it better or is it the same?
Speaking for myself, a freelancer and occasional volunteer, I would say that it's a war against environmental destruction through greed and ignorance.
However if you were to visit the Greenpeace website you may find a more official set of core values. My own personal reason for being involved is to highlight and expose examples of needless environmental destruction in order that people can chose to buy into that destruction or not.
In my experience greed and ignorance are at the heart of any environmental destruction and publicly exposing greed and destruction combined with education can help to make our world a better place.
I've witnessed the results and that's what keeps me going.
I'm not daft enough to think the world can be saved but I would rather fight for it on my feet than die on my knees.

I refer you to your previous posts.

Originally Posted by Al Baker

I didn't mention politics and I've no interest in discussing it here. I'm interested in discussing ribs. Which I work with both in and outside Greenpeace.

Sounds like a plan to me.

[Al Baker]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

Sounds like a plan to me.

Jolly good.

[Nos4r2]