Phantom menace . . .

Jonny Fuller · 15 December 2004, 20:27

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Originally Posted by ribfreak

Hi,

Idoes this guy Jason Norman and his company really exist or do I chase a phantom?

I'd go for the Phantom

....but you'll probably never catch it!

Manos · 16 December 2004, 09:48

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Originally Posted by Jonny Fuller

I'd go for the Phantom

....but you'll probably never catch it!

Yes they make them here THE BUILDER and at haf the price. Aslo there is some story behind them fantom boats too GREAT BOATS MADE IN MALTA!! the go fast!

That must make you go green

John Kennett · 16 December 2004, 09:56

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Originally Posted by Manos

Yes they make them here THE BUILDER and at haf the price.

As far as I am aware the company that you link to stole the design by taking an illegal copy of an existing Phantom. That would probably help keep costs down. You could just go and steal someone's boat which would be even cheaper still . . .

John

Jono · 16 December 2004, 09:59

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Originally Posted by John Kennett

As far as I am aware the company that you link to stole the design by taking an illegal copy of an existing Phantom. That would probably help keep costs down. You could just go and steal someone's boat which would be even cheaper still . . .

John

Interesting to read the link on PB racing though and see that one team has chosen STEYR diesel engines......

" In a major new development, Team ORTM has announced that it is partnering with Steyr Motors, the Austria-based marine diesel specialists from the Steyr-Daimler-Puch group of companies, in an engine supply deal. This deal will see Team ORTM racing with inboard Steyr MO256H45 engines (shown on the left) for the 2005 season. "

Manos · 16 December 2004, 11:12

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Originally Posted by John Kennett

As far as I am aware the company that you link to stole the design by taking an illegal copy of an existing Phantom. John

Possibly, but if this is the case somone had to take action against them. So far they advertise this boat as theirs, race it in International powerboat races and no one is chacing them.

I'm not saying if they did what you calim to have done is right, what I'm saying is that may be this is not the case and may be the moulds were bought by them and improved a little bit in fact

Jono · 16 December 2004, 11:16

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Originally Posted by Manos

...the moulds were bought by them ...

Ah, so you think they bought the moulds legitamately do you? So they didn't just splash a hull at all?

Manos · 16 December 2004, 11:24

I'm asking I do not know Jono. I'm not an EXZPERT

These guys in Malta seem to think that they paid for the moulds.
As I said if there was anything illegal about these moulds wouldn't they have/had someone from somewhere going against them in a big way?

codprawn · 16 December 2004, 11:36

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Originally Posted by John Kennett

As far as I am aware the company that you link to stole the design by taking an illegal copy of an existing Phantom. That would probably help keep costs down. You could just go and steal someone's boat which would be even cheaper still . . .

John

I very much doubt they are the only ones to have done this - there seems to be some question as regards the parentage of many Rib hulls......

It also reminds me of a story I heard a few years ago - a company hiring out exotic cars had to give a Ferrari a respray as it had been hired with false details and when it came back there were bits of fibreglass stuck all over the body shell!!!

Alan · 16 December 2004, 18:20

Isn't the case that since many boats - RIB or Hardboat are built by small operations that people can get away with splashing or copying someones hull simply by virtue of the fact that its too difficult/expensive for the original builder/designer to take legal action? Throw in the complications of cross border legality and one assumes that the Phantom chap (Steve Baker?) is unlikely to sue to bloke in Malta as the chances of success / possible return in compensation would make it not worth it?

Presumably in one were to splash a Genmar hull from say a Glastron, then hordes of corporate lawyers would descend rapidly?

Jonny Fuller · 16 December 2004, 18:28

Allan,

That's about the size of it!

Dirk Diggler · 16 December 2004, 22:20

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Originally Posted by Manos

Possibly, but if this is the case somone had to take action against them.

And the best action would be a couple of gallons of super unleaded and a box of Swan Vestas!!!

Manos · 16 December 2004, 23:26

...and since this thread is about phantoms does any one know where I can find a REAL Phantom hull for sale 23 or 25? I pay up to Euro 10,000 for it depending on condition.

Thanks

codprawn · 17 December 2004, 01:16

They often come up on ebay - also http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk

Usually the complete boat though - dirt cheap as well sometimes!

Manos · 17 December 2004, 08:49

Thanks cod I've looked. The use to advertise a 23 but for a lot of money and they now have lots of 21s.

But thanks will keep looking around

Rogue Wave · 17 December 2004, 11:01

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Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler

And the best action would be a couple of gallons of super unleaded and a box of Swan Vestas!!!

Ohh Dirk you are such a stickler for quality, surely ordinary unleaded would do! Or as the super unleaded got more active ingredients like Arsonic!

Manos · 19 December 2004, 23:10

After all this, I have to thank Captain Chaos for shedding some light to my quest

Thanks Mr Chaos unfortunately you cannot keep these things P&C

and sorry didn't make it to your vid night I'm very sure that you all enjoyed it

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if he had 10,000 euros.......he could very nearly buy a new 23ft boat from the phantom moulds (got to be PC about these things

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lets get him to the vid night.....I'd love to meet him
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