Proper Tow Vehicles

[Nick Hearne]

Gavin you do seem to have a very large chip on you solder, but then you would not be the first Irish person to!
You praise every thing Jag, USA & Bling it would seam, even to the not so pleasant Gippos we have to put up with over hear!
But I do not suppose you will change!

I have been told that UK armed forces is changing to the Merc G wagon!
Any one else heard the same?

[Richard B]

Originally Posted by Nick Hearne

I have been told that UK armed forces is changing to the Merc G wagon!
Any one else heard the same?

I do believe that a change is on the cards... Small Steyr 4x4 vehicles are being in a few applications where Land Rovers were the only choice.

[Hugh Jardon]

Originally Posted by codprawn

If you look at Yank deaths in Iraq maybe you would change your mind? They will never be a substitute for a tank!!!

you missed the point i think.....since when has a landy been a tank...

also

look at where the american troops are operating and how many there are when you speak about casualties.

[Rogue Wave]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

hummers do come in handy for some things...


http://www.humvee.net/pix/misc/overprobe.html

eye Dunno,

Mi mait gARfey iz ay Hummmer , fkk mee duz e penn! Eye menshund hiz OB tooo im annd de gyt kicced mee inn de bollix! Eye down't fink dat's verry anndyl

[donutsina911]

the rn bomb teams use landrovers for lots of reasons, reliability is not one of them...

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

you missed the point i think.....since when has a landy been a tank...

also

look at where the american troops are operating and how many there are when you speak about casualties.

No IF you read my posts properly you would see I have NOT missed the point!!! Soft skinned vehicles are used where appropriate - when not send in a tank!!!

I DID say that SAS Landrover's don't even have doors - NEVER said it was a tank.....

And for the record I did NOT start criticising the Hummer - only the poncy H2 Hummer lookalike!!!

The Hummer is a good vehicle for what it was intended to do - unfortunately it is not a general purpose vehicle which is what the Yanks are trying to use them for - it just won't fit down little back streets in the 3rd world countries they send them to!!!

[Scary Des]

Originally Posted by codprawn

............. In situation where hard skinned vehicles ARE needed we send in tanks!!!.....

Are you in the army or just an expert consultant Des

[Hugh Jardon]

Originally Posted by codprawn

No IF you read my posts properly you would see I have NOT missed the point!!! Soft skinned vehicles are used where appropriate - when not send in a tank!!!
I DID say that SAS Landrover's don't even have doors - NEVER said it was a tank.....

And for the record I did NOT start criticising the Hummer - only the poncy H2 Hummer lookalike!!!

The Hummer is a good vehicle for what it was intended to do - unfortunately it is not a general purpose vehicle which is what the Yanks are trying to use them for - it just won't fit down little back streets in the 3rd world countries they send them to!!!

sorry cods but i said i would rather be in a hummer than a landy.....quote, but if there was a choice of vehicle then a tank would be preferable to either of those of course.

codders, did you serve in the forces, did you drive a landy as part of your job in the forces.........yes/no......if so when and with who? or did you have a mate in the forces.......

i used a landy a lot in the forces, swb and lwb, and frankly in my honest opinion, what a pile of cack, sitting on fuel tanks, lwb with steering that would rip your thumbs off, gutless engines that would not pull the skin of a rice pudding

and before you go on about how good landies are and try to give me a bashing i am on my third so i think i am entitled to say they are good but not brill, had a disco 200, 300 & TD5

the sas use a variety of vehicles depending on the mission they are going on. you mention they use landys but they also used to use sherpas when i was on the inside. footprints all over em.

[Richard B]

Originally Posted by codprawn

In situation where hard skinned vehicles ARE needed we send in tanks!!!

Or an armoured personnel carrier (APC). Tanks have a serious limitation - in urban wafare situations, they get stuck in towns where the roads have tight corners

[donutsina911]

more codders bashing..

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

codders, did you serve in the forces, did you drive a landy as part of your job in the forces.........yes/no......if so when and with who? or did you have a mate in the forces.......

i used a landy a lot in the forces, swb and lwb, and frankly in my honest opinion, what a pile of cack, sitting on fuel tanks, lwb with steering that would rip your thumbs off, gutless engines that would not pull the skin of a rice pudding


the sas use a variety of vehicles depending on the mission they are going on. you mention they use landys but they also used to use sherpas when i was on the inside. footprints all over em.

I have several mates who are in the forces - several mates who have been in the forces and a future brother in law who is in the Royal Marines - I have also worked on several MOD type contracts I will NOT talk about here.

I have driven Land Rovers in many countries and on very different kinds of terrain - most of my mates who are or were in the forces own their own Land Rovers!!!

As to you having used Landies in the forces that was obviously a long time ago - they dropped the Series models in about 1984 - anyone who knows anything about offroading would NEVER hook their thumbs under the wheel but it just isn't an issue with the Defenders or Wolfs they use now - not many vehicles have a damper on the steering!!!

I am well aware of what sort of vehicles the SAS use - even AVIS or Hertz when the need arrises!!! I have an ex SAS Range Rover complete with an internal roll cage and platform on the roof for aircraft assaults!!!

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by Richard B

Or an armoured personnel carrier (APC). Tanks have a serious limitation - in urban wafare situations, they get stuck in towns where the roads have tight corners

The Warrior is the same size as some tanks!!! It weighs 24 tons for God's sake!!!

Neither would be any good at driving around in typical Arab cities - even SWB Land Rovers can have problems in some of them - I know from experience - many walls still have the scars to prove it!!!

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by Scary Des

Are you in the army or just an expert consultant Des

I wouldn't even go there regarding military technology - you WILL lose!!!

[Alan]

Originally Posted by codprawn

I have an ex SAS Range Rover complete with an internal roll cage and platform on the roof for aircraft assaults!!!

That sounds cool. Any pics?

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by donutsina911

more codders bashing..

Tell me about it - but I am very much looking forward to this one......

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by Alan

That sounds cool. Any pics?

Of course!!!

[Scary Des]

Originally Posted by codprawn

I wouldn't even go there regarding military technology - you WILL lose!!!

Lose what exactly you really are a strange sort of fish and I think you need the water changing in your tank you’re not getting enough oxygen Des

[tcwozere]

May wanna edit the last one codders, especially with some of the stalkers on RibNet..

[Scary Des]

Originally Posted by codprawn

Of course!!!

Since when did Safety Devices Ltd put roll cages in Vogue range Rover for the SAS Des

[codprawn]

Originally Posted by Scary Des

Since when did Safety Devices Ltd put roll cages in Vogue range Rover for the SAS Des

Please don't show up your TOTAL lack of knowledge - do you REALLY think the SAS would build their own???

Or maybe they built their own Range Rovers as well????