Speed camera fine

[Bigmuz7]

Originally Posted by kerny

I just put that up because speed limits on dual carriageways can be confusing....

True cos you should be doing 60 but like you Muz7 I did not think that cameras would be able to distinguish vehicles towing trailers,

Yes ... thats the point.. normally you could be doing 77 in a car only and be fine

Originally Posted by kerny

also I did not think that cameras on the opposite side of the road could nick you too.

Only roadside mobile units in vans, and truvelos .... fixed Gatsos cannot AFAIK

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by kerny

"National Speed Limit on a single track road is 60mph.
National Speed Limit on a dual carriageway with no central divider or reservation is 60mph.
National Speed Limit on a dual carriageway with a central reservation or divider is 70mph.

Not sure if it includes Wales

If it doesnt have a central divider/central reservation/barrier, it's not a dual carriageway as there is only 1 carriageway.

Single Carriageway - 60mph
Dual Carriageway - 70mph

[Hunton69]

Originally Posted by Bigmuz7

Got a notice of intended blah blah .... was photographed face on at 71 on a 60 section on the A9 whilst overtaking someone on a single section....camera was on the other side of the road ... so my own stupid fault really, but I misjudged how fast the guy was going and needed more speed than I wanted to get by safely before meeting on coming traffic ...and I was towing a small plant trailer .. fortunately my licence is clean.

Firstly, I didnt think face on shots were allowed ? thats why I wasnt so bothered at the time, and its a camera ive been through many times too anyway it doesent seem the case now ... whats the likely points do you guys think ?

So your happy doing 71 with a trailer and making misjudgements whilst driving.
My question is do you belive you should be nicked
If yes then take the points if not put a thread together explaining what is a safe speed to drive with a trailer and overtake on A roads.

[kerny]

[QUOTE=TonyC;495166]If it doesnt have a central divider/central reservation/barrier, it's not a dual carriageway as there is only 1 carriageway.

Single Carriageway - 60mph
Dual Carriageway - 70mph[/QUOTE

So if there is four lanes two one way and two the opposite way with just a grass verge as a divider it's not a dual carriageway then. If thats the case I stand corrected then

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by kerny

So if there is four lanes two one way and two the opposite way with just a grass verge as a divider it's not a dual carriageway then. If thats the case I stand corrected then

If there are four lanes (2 each way) with a grass verge as a divider, then it's a dual carriageway as there are two distinct 'roads/carriageways' (which is what i said above)

If there wasn't a grass verge in the middle, and just a white line, then it would be a single carriageway.

That's all the RTA recognises, single or dual carriageway. The divider can be anything from a 'verge', to a 6ft concrete & steel barrier.

[kerny]

Originally Posted by TonyC

If there are four lanes (2 each way) with a grass verge as a divider, then it's a dual carriageway as there are two distinct 'roads/carriageways' (which is what i said above)

If there wasn't a grass verge in the middle, and just a white line, then it would be a single carriageway.

That's all the RTA recognises, single or dual carriageway. The divider can be anything from a 'verge', to a 6ft concrete & steel barrier.

Then without a barrier it's 60mph or 70mph with a barrier unless otherwise stated.

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by kerny

Then without a barrier it's 60mph or 70mph with a barrier unless otherwise stated.

yep,

Single Carriageway (no verge/barrier between directions) - 60mph
Dual Carriageway (A verge or barrier between directions) - 70mph

unless a lower speed limit is posted.

If you've got a trailer behind, take 10mph off those limits.

[kerny]

Originally Posted by TonyC

yep,

Single Carriageway (no verge/barrier between directions) - 60mph
Dual Carriageway (A verge or barrier between directions) - 70mph

unless a lower speed limit is posted.

If you've got a trailer behind, take 10mph off those limits.

I always thought dual meant two so if duel both sides of the road with no central paving or barrier is not a dual carriageway I will eat my hat.

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by kerny

I always thought dual meant two so if duel both sides of the road with no central paving or barrier is not a dual carriageway I will eat my hat.

Tony's right, If it hasn't got a central divider then it's a single carriageway, regardless of how many lanes it's got. At least that's what they told me on the speed awareness course Of course, things might be different in Hermany Do you want to borrow a knife & fork

[kerny]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Tony's right, If it hasn't got a central divider then it's a single carriageway, regardless of how many lanes it's got. At least that's what they told me on the speed awareness course Of course, things might be different in Hermany Do you want to borrow a knife & fork

So... if there is no crash barrier or verge, kerb dividing the four lanes the speed limit is 60 not 70 mph. as its not classed as a dual carriageway.

[m chappelow]

Then there's the 3 lane "chicken run "roads the one with the middle lane where each direction shares the overtaking lane lol

Know of a couple of 30 moh roads locally that have the permanent fitted time over distance speed cams stops getting caught if overtaking .

[Bigmuz7]

Originally Posted by Hunton69

So your happy doing 71 with a trailer and making misjudgements whilst driving.
My question is do you belive you should be nicked
If yes then take the points if not put a thread together explaining what is a safe speed to drive with a trailer and overtake on A roads.

You havent read all my posts have you ? ... for your benefit .. I dont know what speed I was doing 'exactly' on the A road

[willk]

Not sure how it will sit on all that popcorn...

[huntsman81]

I drive the A9 on a weekly basis and the only speed cameras currently on dual carriageways are the three between Stirling and Perth (2 northbound, 1 southbound) everything else is on single carriageway and even then a lot of them have been removed over the years as the road has been improved (Ballinluig, Aviemore, Bankfoot) There is now only 1 northbound (Dunkeld) which is about a mile after the end of the dual carriageway and hidden behind a sign. No doubt remains because it catches people out and hence makes a profit. There is only one southbound at Blair Atholl on the long sweeping bend. Again difficult to see because of the bend.

I have often tailed lorries doing 56 through the cameras and they haven't gone off. I have also triggered the cameras on numerous occasions going the opposite direction (face on) and never had a ticket.

The main killer on the A9 is people still thinking they are on a dual carriageway when it is single and they have a head on. Are you sure it was dual carriageway? I would suggest you have been nabbed because your doing 71 on a single carriageway. Double check your location, you may be mistaken? It may also be a camera van (aka Talivan) rather than a fixed gatso, in which case the operator would have singled you out because of the trailer. A lot of my van drivers get caught out this way as the limit on a dual carriageway for a goods vehicle below 7.5t is 60! The camera operators know that not many people know this and get easy results.

Either way take the points. The A9 is getting a lot of media attention at present and the law will more than likely make an example of you if you try and contest.

Best of luck

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by kerny

Then my argument is... if there is no crash barrier dividing the four lanes the speed limit is 60 not 70 mph.

It doesn't have to be a crash barrier, just a physical divider, could be a grass strip, ditch, concrete etc. Without a barrier, its a single carriageway & the national speed limit is 60. Dual carriageways are usually identified as such by signs.

[kerny]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

It doesn't have to be a crash barrier, just a physical divider, could be a grass strip, ditch, concrete etc. Without a barrier, its a single carriageway & the national speed limit is 60. Dual carriageways are usually identified as such by signs.

Which is what I originally agreed back here..



http://www.rib.net/forum/f19/speed-c...e-51443-5.html

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by kerny

Which is what I originally agreed back here..



http://www.rib.net/forum/f19/speed-c...e-51443-5.html

I must have missed that. A bit out of character

Have you got that boat fixed yet? You missed a great weekend

[kerny]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

I must have missed that. A bit out of character

Have you got that boat fixed yet? You missed a great weekend

I believe you all had a good one Yep I have got Imogen back now, take a look at my Back in the saddle thread

[Boats&Outboards]

Originally Posted by Bigmuz7

You havent read all my posts have you ? ... for your benefit .. I dont know what speed I was doing 'exactly' on the A road

I have. It started by you saying you misjudged the car speed in front and had to boot down a little more than you thought at the time you got pictured, fair enough mistakes happen.... Then you later said that you knew you were doing 70 (speeding) but thought you'd get away with it because it wouldn't pick up you were towing. I think that's why he replied what he did as in that scenario you'd deserve the points, in the first I could understand why you may have felt aggrieved.

Take the points and move on. If we all tried to wriggle out (not suggesting your trying that) on a technicality as some have advised, then were really doing something wrong :nono:

Peter @ Boatsandoutboards4sale ~ askboatsandoutboards4sale@sky.com ~ 07930 421007

[ppenman]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

It doesn't have to be a crash barrier, just a physical divider, could be a grass strip, ditch, concrete etc. Without a barrier, its a single carriageway & the national speed limit is 60. Dual carriageways are usually identified as such by signs.

Yup. For official confirmation check

https://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all...ays-133-to-143