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01 March 2012, 19:26
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Originally Posted by Rokraider
I bought a Tig welder to do some stainless fabrication. I did a lot of research before buying a Lorch T220 (German) AC/DC, (as I am doing some aluminium stuff as well). The machine is the dogs doodads,it is the upper end in price, but has excellent support and is good value in my books.
LORCH - So geht Schweissen
However, learning to use it is another story. I have been Mig welding for 25+ years but that is a doddle compared to Tig.
I would say the key is in getting all the settings right before you start. Once it is set up to suit what your doing, it is not too bad. I would advise getting on a course somewhere and learn how to do it properly. I am paying a qualified Tig welder to come and teach me on site and I am still crap at it!
It is worth paying attention to how the settings work. I hate menus where one knob and display does 100 different functions. I find I am constantly referring to the handbook as I can't remember where to locate the setting I want. The Lorch is very good and intuitive on this front.
I found this site to be very informative with lots of vids showing what to do.
Welding Tips and Tricks - TIG, MIG, Stick and a pantload of other info
Good luck.
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Thanks for the info and the link, I like the TigFinger Heat Shield
I think I would like to try it out before I buy one, the local welding course is £300 for 10 weeks at night school and I'm not even sure it covers tig
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01 March 2012, 19:54
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Originally Posted by whisper
I think I would like to try it out before I buy one, the local welding course is £300 for 10 weeks at night school and I'm not even sure it covers tig ![sad](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif)
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Those who can't, teach
Much better off if you can find a pro who's willing to spend a few hours in the shed with you. I've done it for a few people, stainless is a piece of p**s
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01 March 2012, 19:57
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Looks like I'll be buying a box of Tetley then
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01 March 2012, 20:35
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Originally Posted by martini
Those who can't, teach
Much better off if you can find a pro who's willing to spend a few hours in the shed with you. I've done it for a few people, stainless is a piece of p**s ![thumbs up](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/thumbs.gif)
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my old man did a course....learnt sweet FA ! Then spent some time with airframe welders ....he reckoned 10 minutes with them was more then the whole course !
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01 March 2012, 20:52
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Originally Posted by martini
Those who can't, teach
Much better off if you can find a pro who's willing to spend a few hours in the shed with you. I've done it for a few people, stainless is a piece of p**s ![thumbs up](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/thumbs.gif)
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To be fair, the guy who teaches that particular course is an exceptional welder-and a pro who does it for a living during the day.
He's not a very good teacher though. It's a shame because the last tutor was a good teacher and the welding shop there is fantastic.
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Looks like I'll be buying a box of Tetley then ![wink](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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Buy loose leaf-on your first few tries you'll probably make a bit of scrap into a teastrainer
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01 March 2012, 21:09
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I think I've got enough practice pieces to build a tea strainer
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01 March 2012, 21:19
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Originally Posted by whisper
there were so many things to look at in your rather awesome workshop.
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02 March 2012, 17:25
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i think that to start off with you should have bought a cheap scratch start tig without any fancy features and just played with it - thats what i did and very quickly got the hang of it and produced extremely good welds. i still use that set now, but now i also own an ac/dc set that will do ally as well.
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02 March 2012, 18:53
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Once you have picked up the hang of it, do you think you'll be doing much fabrication work? If its only to knock up a few flare box brackets then you might find it more cost effective to just convince a welder near you to spend a bit of time showing you how its done..... I know a fee friends who thought similarly, bought a cheap(ish) dc set, got some 316 rods, opened an account to get a bottle of gas used the set on and off for a month or two to fabricate what they had to fabricate then got fed up seeing nearly a grand's worth of gear sat collecting dust in the corner of the garage..... :-(
I justify the set i use in my workshop (a couple of K's worth of AC/DC machine) because it pays for itself after a few years based on the number of both stainless/ ally jobs that come in... If i didnt have the demand i would get fed up pretty quickly with the rental cost of my 3 bottles let alone the investment of the gear sat doing nothing.....
As many have said, if you can justify it, try to buy a decent set from a reputable manufacturer, i have always found that where welding is concerned ( especially tig'ing) it pays to spend that little bit more....
Simon
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02 March 2012, 22:03
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I haven't bought one yet but I am still keen to try one, the tig will be used for my ribbing hobby and also I have always wanted to learn how to weld.
I have spent the last 20 years working with copper and iron tube so I hope that I can use some of those skills to bend and cut 316 SS tube.
I am quite keen on this one:
Tig Welder DC, 160Amp DC Inverter Tig Welders, Tig Welding Equipment
A large bottle of gas is £101 for the first purchase and then about £60 for a refill.
I guess I will be looking at £500 to buy this lot with a few rods etc, they do have a factory shop that's not too far away so I can collect it.
Or there is always the secondhand option that I could have a look at?
eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace
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02 March 2012, 22:28
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ive got a parweld txi181 with pulse
Parweld Machines
i use albee gas rent free
Rental Free Cylinders - Air Liquide
160 for the bottle 50 quid refill (new bottle with builtin reg and flow ) take it back get £100 back
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03 March 2012, 01:33
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Damn shame they don't do oxy acetylene.
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03 March 2012, 02:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nos4r2
Damn shame they don't do oxy acetylene.
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they will be in 3-4 quarter of this year
if you want a good heat i use map gas+ blow torch
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03 March 2012, 07:50
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WTF!.... My contract here in France is with Air Liquide and the buggers are stinging me for 176euros rental on each bottle every three years :-(
I have 5 bottles with them ( including oxy/acet ) so have to pay nearly 1000euros rent!!! The bottles are all 'half heights' with 'mini top' reg's built in too.....
Will be speaking to Mr Air Liquide shortly me thinks..
Simon
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03 March 2012, 09:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by guernseylee
they will be in 3-4 quarter of this year
if you want a good heat i use map gas+ blow torch
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I've got a mapp gas torch, but some things (bronze welding,corroded bike exhausts etc) you just can't beat using Oxy kit.
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06 March 2012, 16:14
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Got a welder today
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06 March 2012, 16:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by whisper
Got a welder today ![big grin](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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What's his name?
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06 March 2012, 16:47
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Tigger
He's an R-tech tig160pdc.
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06 March 2012, 17:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by whisper
Tigger
He's an R-tech tig160pdc.
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did u get
collets
ceramics
tungsteins
reg
flow meter
rods
bottle key
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06 March 2012, 17:01
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Nice one ![smilie](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif) Giz a ring later Alex.
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