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07 August 2011, 14:51
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Originally Posted by wavelength
Well caught on video-thanks for sharing-unbelievable!
Exclusion zone around large vessels operating in that particular patch of water?
Rules of the road
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From memory 1000m infront is a no go area, Quite often they are escorted also by a pilot boat as well and you cannot pass between ship and pilot boat. It would appear that the yacht not follow rules, I guess MAIB report will tell later
Another video here http://www.cowes.co.uk/yacht_dismast...off_Cowes.aspx
Shows a very swift response from RIBs close by
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07 August 2011, 15:54
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and also from memory 500m either side and astern.
Having said that if hooray henry didnt sorta get a sort of an inkling that he was gonna come off worst it would be surely pointless explaining rules of any sort to him.
Lucky lucky boy(or girl) this mistake wasnt gonna be his last As everyone else I eagerly await the MAIB report.
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07 August 2011, 16:03
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Looks like a matter of feet from being a really bad moment.... a few feet more and I suspect the yacht would have gone 'under' the bow...
Racing yachts are in in my opinion/experience best stayed well away from. They tend to forget common sense when racing.....
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07 August 2011, 16:03
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you two need to get out more
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07 August 2011, 16:16
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But surely, power should have given way to sail
There'll be some harumphing over the pink gins in the Yacht Club bar tonight, what what
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07 August 2011, 16:23
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Originally Posted by wavelength
you two need to get out more
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Tried that on Wednesday - that's Polwart at 0:40 hanging out the window...
It didn't help us much I suppose
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07 August 2011, 16:35
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This picture (from the Telegraph) best illustrates the WAFI. The 870 foot (124,000 ton) Norwegian tanker is called Hanne Knutsen. Apparently two crew went over-board but were safely picked up.
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07 August 2011, 16:49
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Quote:
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you two need to get out more
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...Or get a room
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07 August 2011, 16:50
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...Or get a room
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07 August 2011, 17:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
But surely, power should have given way to sail
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- Tanker had a tug on the back so was under tow (maybe also regarded as RAM)
- yacht entered exclusion zone
- yacht ignored guard boat
- tanker gave yacht 5 short blasts
- tanker was following a channel
- yacht was crossing a channel
- local bylaws apply
- tanker was big and bright orange and easy to see
- I doubt the yacht was keeping a proper look out
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07 August 2011, 17:31
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Thanks for clearing that up Doug, I can take my tongue out of my cheek now, it was starting to ache
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07 August 2011, 17:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by willk
Well caught! Pure craziness....
Fell of the rowing machine perhaps?
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07 August 2011, 19:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spartacus
This picture (from the Telegraph) best illustrates the WAFI. The 870 foot (124,000 ton) Norwegian tanker is called Hanne Knutsen. Apparently two crew went over-board but were safely picked up.
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Don't see any life vests in that pic :hide
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07 August 2011, 19:55
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Originally Posted by Lee argyle
Sat in my Predator, off Cowes yesterday afternoon watching the Extreme 40's racing ( fantastic ) and saw the tanker approach Cowes roads from the east, observed a yacht getting close and the tanker ( there was a lead pilot boat / police launch and at the rear a reversed tug / brake ), started honking - lots! I grabbed my camera and took this very poor video ( one handed and aiming by guess work Doh! ). It looked like the yacht turned head into-wind at the last second...........but a bit late! I understand there was a second incident with the tanker at the same time - a Gym palace on the starboard side had a MOB?? But we could'nt see from our position, lots of radio traffic to that effect and a RIB grabbed the casualty/s. All going on!
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07 August 2011, 19:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce
- Tanker had a tug on the back so was under tow (maybe also regarded as RAM)
- yacht entered exclusion zone
- yacht ignored guard boat
- tanker gave yacht 5 short blasts
- tanker was following a channel
- yacht was crossing a channel
- local bylaws apply
- tanker was big and bright orange and easy to see
- I doubt the yacht was keeping a proper look out
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Doug what is the likely outcome, a big fine for yacht skipper? I saw a RIB do the same to the Redjet about two years ago and they were heavily fined for failing to keep a proper watch and also failed to avoid collision. Please all arealive as we all know a yacht was sunk off Bembridge with the loss of three about two years ago
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07 August 2011, 20:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by willk
Well caught! Pure craziness....
Fell of the rowing machine perhaps?
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Or been on the 'gyn'.
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07 August 2011, 20:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spartacus
This picture (from the Telegraph) best illustrates the WAFI. The 870 foot (124,000 ton) Norwegian tanker is called Hanne Knutsen. Apparently two crew went over-board but were safely picked up.
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Would have got away with it of not for that pesky little anchor hanging off the side ......
How you miss 124000 tones is beyond me .....
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07 August 2011, 20:49
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I can just imagine the call to the insurance broker on Monday morning. "This bloody big ship came out of no-where. I did what I could, but I'm afraid it was unavoidable. My name... oh yes... J. R. Hartley."
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07 August 2011, 21:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by C2 RIBS
Doug what is the likely outcome, a big fine for yacht skipper?
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If he is a commercial skipper sailing professionally (i.e. Yachtmaster Offshore or similar) then he could easily get hauled up in front of the YM qualification panel and loose his ticket before being prosecuted by the MCA.
Assuming he is a leisure skipper then he could be prosecuted by a number of different bodies but most likely the MCA. I cant tell you what sort of penalty they would be after but I would guess a fine rather than custodial sentence.
It may be however there are circumstances we are unaware of. It may be nothing happens on the legal front.
It may be the owner is unable to recover the loss from his insurers. While not standard, it is not uncommon to exclude the rig from insurance while racing
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07 August 2011, 21:10
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Or my name is,,, Jack O' nory
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