Commercial Yachtmaster in the North East

chewy · 19 May 2009, 11:01

Hi,

I'm toying with the idea of doing my Commercial Yachtmaster with the power boat add on. Does anywhere on the North East do this course.
I've got my Offshore sea survival, can I use this or does the RYA require their own?
Any help would be great!

Thanks

Phill

peterb · 19 May 2009, 12:31

You dont really "do" commercial yachtmaster.

Firstly you need to have the pre-requisites in terms of sea-miles and night trips etc, then you take the yachtmaster "certificate of competence" exam with an RYA examiner - then you add on the various items that are required for the commercial endorsement - and the yachtmaster certificate is then endorsed as "commercial".

I have no idea what the "power boat" add-on is? When you hold a commercial yachtmaster it says (Quote) "...valid for use as Master of Yachts of up too 200 gross tonnes on commercially and privately registered yachts......"

So that would cover all power boats. (unless you could find one in excess of 200 gross tonnes!)

I should contact the RYA about your Sea Survival certificate - they are very approachable and pretty quick to respond to queries sent via their web site.

You can also search on the RYA site for schools in your area that will give you a Yachtmaster Prep course (theory and practical).

chewy · 19 May 2009, 12:38

I think they is a Power endorsement to?
So who would the best person to speak to be about doing it over maybe 4 x one week stints?
I'm aware people do it on the south coast but was after something closer to home? Does a member on here run courses in Scotland?

Heart-trouble · 19 May 2009, 17:00

maybe seaskills does

SeaSkills · 19 May 2009, 18:24

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Originally Posted by Heart-trouble

maybe seaskills does

Yes indeed.

Thanks Heart-trouble.

Phil, most info is on my website www.seaskills.co.uk, and feel free to phone or email if you want to discuss

Doug Stormforce · 21 May 2009, 10:11

Chewy

There is no need to add on a power endorsement.

You can take either the sail or the power course and exam. If you have done one there is the option to later take a conversion exam to the other.

The course / exam you are after is Yachtmaster Offshore Certificate of Competence (Power).

There are various pre requisite, not least

2,500 miles logged
5 passages of 60 miles or more
2 of those as skipper
2 of those overnight
50 days on board
SRC Radio or higher
First Aid

If you have not already I would start by doing the Coastal Skipper / Yachtmaster Offshore Shoreabsed Course, you will need this knowledge for the practical exam.

To add the commercial endorsement all you need is a Sea Survival and a Medical from your doctor and a rubber stamping fee of £25.

tugandtow · 23 May 2009, 08:50

I recomend www.coastwise.org.uk, based in Hartlepool!

contact Paul about your requirments.

He examined me for my power yachtmaster offshore STCW95 endorsed ticket and was really good.

JSP · 23 May 2009, 10:42

Phil, seeing how your working at sea wouldn't the company pay for it?

chewy · 23 May 2009, 13:02

Nah, the useless gits struggle to pay me for the work I do. Even though I'm working on a rig come ship my actual job has nothing to do with the sea. I'm a contractor too so have to pay for all my own courses.

I don't mind paying for it myself as it means I will have a second line of work if I need it.

The one in Hartlepool looks ok, will give him a ring, thanks.

tugandtow · 24 May 2009, 15:14

Yeah I am very pleased with Paul at coastwise but I would say you need to know what you are doing and how to handle a twin screw workboat, if not you will fail. Also have to be up with the workboat code, safety briefings, LSA, vessel checks, secondary ports, passage planning, MOB, ROR, compass errors, position fixing using radar etc etc, He will help you along as is there to pass you, the only reason you fail is if you are not up to the standard required by the RYA.

Also must have an indate first aid and VHF ticket and be able to prove the seatime.

Once you have the yachtmaster CoC you can then get the other requirements of medical and sea survival, your offshore medical and BOSIT are not valid as they are not recognised by the MCA and STCW95, and then pay the £25 fee to RYA for endorsement.

chewy · 24 May 2009, 16:45

The twin screw workboat I'm fine on.
How do you go about proving your sea time? I can go out on fishing trips and do over 60 miles but still end up back at the same port.

What medical do I need, seems the RYA are money spinning on the sea survival and medical, I bet my RNLI medical is no good either or the sea survival I did at Poole?
What standard does the first aid have to be to?

Thanks for the help.

Heart-trouble · 24 May 2009, 19:28

get an ENG1 about £100 or an ML5, not sure how much, sometimes free if your on good terms with your doc

chewy · 24 May 2009, 19:32

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Originally Posted by Heart-trouble

get an ENG1 about £100 or an ML5, not sure how much, sometimes free if your on good terms with your doc

Thanks for that, my doctor is on the crew so I'm sure the charge will be reasonable lol!

tugandtow · 24 May 2009, 19:36

well the RYA has sea time requirements and they have been noted in this thread already, proof is a from a discharge book, RYA log book, PYA log book or and other method like letter from employer etc or just type up your own log!

It doesn't need to be a RYA sea survival, a MN, seafish or a RNLI one would do, also the medical can be a ML5 , https://afrmmcanet.mcga.gov.uk/formspublic/MSF4112.pdf , that your doctor completes and is limited to 60nm offshore or a MN ENG 1 at a specialist doctor, http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/ds-shs-mgn_264-2.pdf , for upto 150nm offshore.

the first aid has to be at least 1 day so if you have done with RNLI you would be ok.

These requirements do not come from the RYA but the government via the MCA as extra training for a commercial endorsement.

do you need a commercial endorsement?

chewy · 24 May 2009, 19:39

I work away alot and some times have equal or more than equal time off so thought if I completed my commercial I could deliver the odd boat in my time off.
I have loads of seatime with the RNLI but as someone else said its not all in long passages. Usually one or two hours unless its a callout?

DGR · 24 May 2009, 20:15

Chewy, your RNLI sea survival/first aid are STCW95 (MCA) recognised - so should be fine with the RYA. Not sure her they would accept the medical, but the RNLI one is effectively the same as the one the RYA want you to do for commercial endorsement. If it's not acceptable, I'm sure your HMA would knock out a bargain medical if you spoke to them nicely!!

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Rogue Wave · 20 August 2009, 01:18

If you have a United Kingdom Ooffshore Oowners Association (UKOOA) medical and a BOSIET I've got the RYA to accept those. Also are you 2 on and 2 off or lucky enough for 2 on 3 off

I got most ofl my miles in tugging and got paid for doing it. It's rough and ready and you need a bit of strength but your guaranteed 6 night hours everyday you are at sea and a trip from say Liverpool to Middlesboro would take 6 or 7 days depending on weather. It also makes you a lot more Savvy on deck and you could fit trip in with your downtime.

chewy · 25 August 2009, 11:08

Cheers for that Stu. Need to brush up on my theory then get the exam done.