First aid / medical courses

[MikeL]

Is there any market out there for running more advanced first aid / medical courses then the basic RYA type course?

There seems to be a massive jump from what is required when operating in cat 0 & 1 waters to cat 2 - 6?

Mike

[tim griffin]

STCW 95 Covers it .You have to have a Medical background to become a Instructor lots of Sailing Schools run this type of course.
Tim

[MikeL]

What I mean is extra training for cat 3 - 6 rib operators who want but might not be required to have more then a basic 1/2 day course.

I was thinking of things like:

O2 admin, intermediate resuscitation, defibrillation, airway adjuncts, spinal management, advanced wound care, casualty handling, splinting

Things that could make a difference if you are fair way from a safe haven or the chopper is not available?


Mike

[tim griffin]

RYA First Aid at Sea is a full day
Tim

[MikeL]

I just seems strange to me that a first aider at Boots or Tesco is required to have 3 or 4 days of training and a boat operator only is required to have 1 day. (Not that I am a big fan of HSE first aid at work courses)

I wondered if there is a market out there for running extra training for those who want it?

Mike

[Poly]

Originally Posted by MikeL

O2 admin, intermediate resuscitation, defibrillation, airway adjuncts, spinal management, advanced wound care, casualty handling, splinting

Mike - if someone wants those skills there are ways of learning it - but most of that is way beyond what is taught on a 4 day HSE course. So you are looking at probably 4 days standard first aid, and then another 4 days to cover the advanced skills? and even then thats really not going to leave you as an "expert"; that can only come through repeated practical application. I can't see there being many people who actually have that much time to spend on skills they hope never to use - unless e.g. they are specialist safety/rescue boat crews etc.

Then of course there is the fact that a normal boat has none of the above equipment on board anyway. Indeed I don't think most lifeboats carry defibs - unless I am out of date.

I am sure if you wanted then Tim Griffin, and possibly others including the guys in stonehaven who's name escapes me, could provide this with a "boaty" slant.

[MikeL]

I don't need the training as I am a medic instructor, I just wondered if there was a market for this type of training, I guess not

Mike

[ian parkes]

I think there is a market out there for specific courses . The last course I went on was run by an off road motorcycle school for their instructors . they had 2 paramedics run the course who iam sure did it as a second job .

[Rogue Wave]

surew is falke Nutec OPITO ERRV Anvanced Medical Aider

HSE Diver medic

or I guess you could dp your own course

[Poly]

Originally Posted by MikeL

I don't need the training as I am a medic instructor, I just wondered if there was a market for this type of training, I guess not

Mike

Mike there may well be a market - but its going to be limited to a very specialist group - and the majority of them already have the training or alternative means to get the training. I am sure you are aware that the general first aid market is highly competitive, and most people are doing the training because they need to (for some regulation or other) rather than necessarily want to. That means they will generally do the minimum/cheapest to get the required "ticket".

[m chappelow]

apart from as was mentioned earlier most specialist groups ie round the world sailing - expeditions ,diving clubs seem to have a good basic know how regarding first aid o2 admin ect in there training programs and the last time i heard most large ships, trawlers ,.diving standby ships , have to have a near paramedic trained crew member on board . most of the uk has an excellent rescue services if and when needed ,it is after all a first aid course most boaters are looking for i dont think that most recreational boaters around the uk would be up to doing an amputation or a heart and lung transplant at sea .i also think that with the sadly out to get someone for compensation brigade on the increase it may put people off getting better qualifications it seems bad enough at the best of times, as from past experiences in small open boats in a rough sea theres not much that you can do except the very basic of first aid.

[MikeL]

Thanks for all your points of view,

Mike

[hobbit555]

5 day Ships captains medical certificate

3 day medical aid or medical care at sea ( Cant remember which it is called)

Cat 1 and 0 carry mega medical kits, drugs and all. most large ships carry all this gear in a hospital.

Both are STCW courses

[davepetts]

Hi Mike,
Really out of date I know but I have qualified in the adjuncts, defib, spinal etc that you were talking about. Speak to Dave Whelan (Will) at The Training Centre, Lusty Glaze, Newquay, Cornwall 01637 876631. They run first aid courses from one day appointed to EMT-B (first response) as well as lots of bolt ons. I've been instructing for them on an adhoc basis for a couple of years and the work is quite regular and well paid. They are always looking for locum instructors all over the country if that is what you are after (they may be able to give you advice on how to start your own firm doing that type of thing but I doubt it!)

I know from my own experience that there is a good market for that type of thing but it is fairly specialised and you'd have to pitch the price right. I was instructing O2, defib and spinal management to the Dev&Corn det officers which might be a good start point in your force area. Go for it, and if you need instructors give me a call!
Dave

[MikeL]

Thats great,

many thanks,

Mike