max number of persons onboard

alant1 · 10 November 2011, 16:18

Can anyone remind me of the appropriate MCA document, which stipulates the maximum number of persons carried on a coded vessel, including passengers + crew.

Most docs I've found, give passenger limits eg 12 & minimum crew limits, but no maximums.

Starovich · 10 November 2011, 17:07

surely that depends on the coding/vessel size?

National safety · 10 November 2011, 21:59

The maximium number of persons on a MCA coded vessel is normally determined when the vessel is first coded and all depends on stability tests as to how much weight the vessel can take and still remain with in a safe working limit. I have coded a 6m searider which was considered safe to carry 6 persons + cargo which I think totals about 900kg.
depending on the no. of persons the vessel is coded for also relates to the amount of equipment you have to carry i.e lifejackets and TPA etc.

Hope this helps
Jon Henshaw
National Marine safety and work boats

alant1 · 10 November 2011, 22:20

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Originally Posted by National safety

The maximium number of persons on a MCA coded vessel is normally determined when the vessel is first coded and all depends on stability tests as to how much weight the vessel can take and still remain with in a safe working limit. I have coded a 6m searider which was considered safe to carry 6 persons + cargo which I think totals about 900kg.
depending on the no. of persons the vessel is coded for also relates to the amount of equipment you have to carry i.e lifejackets and TPA etc.

Hope this helps
Jon Henshaw
National Marine safety and work boats

If a yacht/MoBo, can carry a maximum of 12 passengers, what is the maximum (Manning regs give the minimum + qualifications) crew allowed.

There surely must be a chart showing codes against numbers.

National safety · 10 November 2011, 22:31

in our case on an avon searider capable of carrying 6 persons max then 2 of those persons would be the skipper and crew. The skipper would have to commercially endorsed to the level the boat is coded for ie cat 4 20 miles from a safe haven in daylight hours would have to have the required tickets to operate within these conditions. As far as I know the crew can have minium qualifications from PB2 upwards.

Searider · 11 November 2011, 10:18

Alan,

As far as I am aware there is no defined maximum number of crew that the vessel can carry.

Bear in mind however the definition of crew as per section 2 of MGN280 - ""Crew" means a person employed or engaged in any capacity on-board a vessel on the business of the vessel""

Maximum number or passengers will be 12.
If the number of persons exceeds 15 a stability book is required.

You can't call a passenger "crew"!

alant1 · 13 November 2011, 09:55

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Originally Posted by Searider

Alan,

As far as I am aware there is no defined maximum number of crew that the vessel can carry.

Bear in mind however the definition of crew as per section 2 of MGN280 - ""Crew" means a person employed or engaged in any capacity on-board a vessel on the business of the vessel""

Maximum number or passengers will be 12.
If the number of persons exceeds 15 a stability book is required.

You can't call a passenger "crew"!

Can you point to the specific info regarding 15+ pls.

Poly · 13 November 2011, 10:33

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Originally Posted by alant1

Can you point to the specific info regarding 15+ pls.

If you search the electronic version mgn280 you'll see various mentions of specific requirements for vessels carrying 16 or more people. Likewise if you search for "stability information booklet".

hobbit555 · 14 November 2011, 05:06

12 passengers And 8 crew is theoretically possible as long as appropriate LSA is present and a stability book is also onboard.

b-pacific · 21 November 2011, 17:54

Sorry to come into this a bit late, but I thought number of crew was a minimum based on manning requirements, but the number of persons in total is clearly laid out in the coding certificate. So a boat coded for 6 can only carry 6 people be it 6 crew or 1 crew and 5 passengers.
Also I didn't realise until recently, a cat 4 vessel cannot be skippered on a L2 PB certificate

Searider · 21 November 2011, 21:45

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Originally Posted by alant1

Can you point to the specific info regarding 15+ pls.

Section 11 refers to stability. Vessels requiring a stability book are defined near the beginning of section.

Paragraph 11.1.1.2.2

Searider · 21 November 2011, 21:50

Para 22.6 "Safe location aboard the boat is provided for all persons"
ie - suitable seating / Jockeys.

Is one definition of how to come to the maximum number of persons permissible on the boat.

This, in combination with the swamp test and area of operation will lead to a fairly obvious number.

Have a chat with your surveyor.