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Old 06 January 2013, 18:51   #61
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interesting debate, and Some good comments coming in from Doug here...
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Old 07 January 2013, 09:02   #62
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Some good points raised Doug

But I feel that so much has moved on from 16 years ago rib size engines and technology and industry requirements.

I remember when I did my Advanced Course on a 5.4 a 50hp on the back a hand held gps and a echo sounder on a rib with a single jockey .As perhaps you did on a similar size boat.

But look at what is required now to raise the bar for the end user a min size rib (still to small) seats for all onboard fixed GPS and echo sounder .

A rib that is coded is not going to be better than most RYA school boats but its a level that raises the standard of those that don't apply the same level of kit that the good schools do to there boats.

This new standard for Instructors and schools aligned with the PPR gives the Advanced award more credibility in the eyes of the commercial world .

I know the boats are going to be less than 10 m and most on singles but at least potential employers can see a base level and either the individual or the operator will gain /give further training on specific vessels.

It's not perfect but it is better and anything that improves the quality of kit and safety for the end user has to be good in my book.
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Old 09 January 2013, 08:01   #63
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Maybe we are also missing on what the commercial operators are having now to contend with from their clients and just maybe the RYA/MCA are recognising the need to raise the bar in response to these demands.

As an example I am aware (from the work we do) that there are Energy Companies who are instisting that all Skippers who drive WFTV's hold the MCA STCW 95 Master <200gt CoC even if, from MGN 280, an APB Commercially Endorsed is accetpable within the Small Commercial Vessel Code.

What we should also be doing is watching the investigations from the MAIB as these reports contain recommendations which should be complied with. It is a choice bit also remember that, should a similar accident occur at a letter date, MCA Enforcement will be able to show that the operator hasn't followed the law (if the recs become Regulation) or best practice (if they don't becoem law)

Are the RYA protecting us all from ourselves I ask?
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Can anyone post a link to OAN 678?
I'm not having any luck finding it, never got on with the MCA website actually
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Can anyone post a link to OAN 678?
I'm not having any luck finding it, never got on with the MCA website actually
A few of us struggled with that one. I have the doc , pm me with an e mail address and I can attach it for you to see/read
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A few of us struggled with that one. I have the doc , pm me with an e mail address and I can attach it for you to see/read
Very kind, thank you muchly

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Received a letter from HQ today. I suppose it was bound to happen.
This is a link to the letter in question - there are 13 pages so may take a few mins

http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollection...e%20Review.pdf
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