RYA STCW endorsements

[hobbit555]

If you get one of these from the RYA do you have to do an oral Exam as you have to do through the MCA or is this a back door method of getting STCW 200t master??

[Zubenelgenubi]

I certainly hope not.

[Poly]

does this help understand what is involved? Yachtmaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Zubenelgenubi]

The Yachtmaster Ocean Certificate of Competence can subject to a medical fitness test be given a standard commercial endorsement that allows the holder to work as a Master on board British flagged vessels subject to the MCA's codes of practice for small commercial vessels of up to 200gt in all waters around the world with no legal restrictions on how far he may sail from land. This is known as an unrestricted, worldwide certificate.

This does not make one with a Yachtmaster Ocean Certificate of Competence a
Master Mariner.

[findeep]

If you hold Yachtmaster Offshore then it can be commercially endorsed as per the procedure on the following link - STCW | Commercial Endorsements | Professional Qualifications | Learning | Courses & Training | RYA

To move forward onto the MCA ladder you would need to do as a minimum an ROC GMDSS course and then the Master 200 oral exam. This would give you the same area of operation as a Yachtmaster. If you wish to be 'unlimited' then you would need a GOC GMDSSS and a Yachtmaster Ocean practical course completion certificate, you would also need the theory as well which exempts you from the written exam.

[hobbit555]

I am not looking for how to progress to a higher qualification. The rya offer an stcw endorsement. Does this mean you have to do an oral exam, as I had to do when I did my 200ton master with the MCA?

[Poly]

Hobbit - the information you are looking for is here:

Commercial Endorsements | Professional Qualifications | Learning | Courses & Training | RYA

The most relevant bit probably being:

How do I apply for a STCW endorsement?
Send the following items to RYA Certification, RYA House, Ensign Way, Hamble, Hampshire SO31 4YA:
Your original RYA Yachtmaster Offshore or Yachtmaster Ocean certificate of competence
A commercial endorsement application form - see link below
An ML5 or ENG1 medical fitness certificate - download the MCA's ML5 form from the link on the right. Skippers working in category 1 or 0 waters will need the ENG1 medical. Contact the MCA for a list of approved doctors.
Evidence of completion of STCW courses - see list above
A passport sized photo with your name on the back
The fee

As I read that there is no additional exam to turn an Ocean Yachtmaster (which would allow 200t, on a british flagged vessel) into an STCW Endorsed ticket (which allows 200t, worldwide).

But, there is an oral element to the yachtmaster exam. I've no idea how that compares to the MCA exam.

[Doug Stormforce]

There is no oral to the stcw endorsement. It's simply a rubber stamping exercise following competition of the basic safety modules.

A YM with stcw is not however a master 200. I have come across a few CVs of yachtmasters who declare MCA Master 200 on their CV and then turn out to be a Yachtmaster CoC, they of course then look a bit daft.

Despite the fact they can in law do roughly the same job the Master 200 has clearly been examined to a higher level and is more employable for larger yachts, he also can be OOW on yachts up to 500 tonnes, and his cert is written into law in all IMO countries. The Yachtmaster is of course written into law in the UK but not in many other countries.

[hobbit555]

Doug that was what I thought and the answer I was hoping for.

thanks

[alant1]

Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

There is no oral to the stcw endorsement. It's simply a rubber stamping exercise following competition of the basic safety modules.

A YM with stcw is not however a master 200. I have come across a few CVs of yachtmasters who declare MCA Master 200 on their CV and then turn out to be a Yachtmaster CoC, they of course then look a bit daft.

Despite the fact they can in law do roughly the same job the Master 200 has clearly been examined to a higher level and is more employable for larger yachts, he also can be OOW on yachts up to 500 tonnes, and his cert is written into law in all IMO countries. The Yachtmaster is of course written into law in the UK but not in many other countries.

"The Yachtmaster is of course written into law in the UK"

Can you expand on which law that is pls.

Ref the Master 200 v RYA version, had this discussion with RYA & MCA some time ago.
RYA still claimed it was the same, MCA adamant it wasn't.

[Doug Stormforce]

Originally Posted by alant1

Can you expand on which law that is pls.

• Merchant Shipping (Vessels in Commercial Use for Sport or Pleasure) Regulations
• Manning Requirements on board UK flagged small commercial vessels
• Manning Requirements on board UK flagged Large commercial yachts
• etc....

[alant1]

Originally Posted by alant1

"The Yachtmaster is of course written into law in the UK"

Can you expand on which law that is pls.

Ref the Master 200 v RYA version, had this discussion with RYA & MCA some time ago.
RYA still claimed it was the same, MCA adamant it wasn't.

Ah, now I understand.

However, to be pedantic, this surely only applies to a 'Commercially Endorsed' Yachtmaster,

Commercial Endorsements | Professional Qualifications | Learning | Courses & Training | RYA

as required to satisfy the MCA Code of Practice MCA code of practise.

Presumably, a 'standard' Yachtmaster, has no status under UK Law.