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09 November 2012, 22:54
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Term 'Point of departure'
On a boatmaster license it allows no more than 3 miles from land and no more than 15 miles from a point of departure.
Does anyone know if this means that one can pull in to a harbour at the 15 mile stage and travel a further 15 miles?
Neville
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09 November 2012, 23:00
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no it means 15nm either side of your usual base/launch/pick up site etc.
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09 November 2012, 23:03
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BML's are very much specific to a certain operating area. I would have to check but i very much doubt it.
Simon
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09 November 2012, 23:04
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Limited Coastal Area is defined as “no more than 3 miles from land and 15 miles from a point of departure”.
I thought that it could maybe interpreted as to any point of departure. This is on a Boatmaster ticket valid all round scotland.
As I remember on the workboat ticket it calls it 'nominated point of departure'
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09 November 2012, 23:18
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This is for a Tier 1 level 1 which is not restricted to area. I dont think many people on this site will use this type of licence as at this level, but its so far the only one I can find that will allow a vessel over 24 metres without a full Class II COC.
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09 November 2012, 23:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neville
Limited Coastal Area is defined as “no more than 3 miles from land and 15 miles from a point of departure”.
I thought that it could maybe interpreted as to any point of departure. This is on a Boatmaster ticket valid all round scotland.
As I remember on the workboat ticket it calls it 'nominated point of departure'
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You or your employer would to have nominated your usual point of departure and your limits will be from there, your next onboard test should put you 40nm offshore, extending further up and down the coast.
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09 November 2012, 23:38
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I think "point of departure" normally would be a nominated point of departure but conditions/restrictions vary between issuing authorities. My BML just states 20 miles from a safe haven.
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09 November 2012, 23:44
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I cant find anything about 20 miles from a safe haven nor 40 miles offshore. Checked the MCA website. 20 miles from a safe haven would be perfect.
If its a nominated point of departure that wont work as we are working over a broad area which involves a couple of large transits. I guess a bit of time on the phone to the MCA will be needed to get to the bottom of it all...
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09 November 2012, 23:47
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Mines got little to do with the mca, issuing authority is Ports of Jersey
Perhaps you can have more than one PoD?
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10 November 2012, 00:11
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Nominated Point of Departure should be stated on the vessels coding certificate.
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10 November 2012, 00:13
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Doug, This is for a loadline boat, not a coded boat.
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10 November 2012, 20:20
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I am not to familiar with the boatmaster scheme, but on a coded vessel 'nominated point of departure' means from the port you usually operate from a opposed to 'safe haven' which means any suitable port.
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11 November 2012, 08:54
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Point of departure is from where the boat crosses the line between catagorised water to Sea and this is stated on the ships passenger certificate.for Poole harbour this is through the haven. You can have several operating areas for instance the Poole passenger boats are certified to operate in Poole, the Solent and Weymouth bay. The vessels can transit between areas without passengers if the areas don't overlap like Poole to Weymouth where as Poole to Solent the areas do over lap so passengers are allowed. While out at sea the vessel must be no further than 3 miles from land and no more than 3 miles from a safe haven/landing, hence not being able to pass between Poole and Weymouth due to access for shoreside rescue between kimmeridge and dancing ledge
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