What is required?

Scoobysnax · 09 October 2009, 13:29

Having read commentary on this part of forum and latterly spurred by the discussion re safety boats started by Jono I am a bit confused!
If I use my RIB commercially then it needs to be coded (except in certain waters such as the Solent) I think I understand that part now, though disagree with the interpretation of the word commercially but thats a different arguement.
What I am not sure about now is whether I need a commercial endorsement or not for myself. Can anyone assist with this. If I am 'working'alone why would I need a commercial endorsement?

Why cannot the MCA or whoeever just make it simple and produce a matrix that states if you do xyz then you need abc

tugandtow · 09 October 2009, 14:07

'What is a commercial endorsement?
It is an endorsement is printed on your RYA certificate of competence to show that you have undergone additional training and a medical fitness test, enabling you to work on commercial vessels'

Which certificates can be commercially endorsed?
The following certificates can receive the standard commercial endorsement:

RYA Yachtmaster Ocean Certificate of Competence
RYA Yachtmaster Offshore Certificate of Competence
RYA Coastal Skipper Certificate of Competence
RYA Day Skipper (tidal) practical course completion certificate
RYA Day Skipper (non-tidal) practical course completion certificate, only if supported by a Day Skipper shorebased course completion certificate
RYA Advanced Powerboat Certificate of Competence
RYA Advanced Powerboat course completion certificate (only if issued before January 1, 2005)
RYA Powerboat Level 2 course completion certificate
In addition, the RYA Yachtmaster Offshore and Yachtmaster Ocean Certificates of Competence can receive the STCW endorsement.

Which certificate do I need?
The MCA's codes of practice categorise British flagged commercial yachts according to the type of yacht and the waters in which they operate. It is this categorisation that determines which of the above certificates you will need.' RYA website

well if you 'work' your boat ie provide a service for money it is a commercial operation therefore need coding,

The skipper needs to hold a certificate of competence that covers the type of boat and area of operation, and if a coded boat on a commercial operation the skippers ticket needs to be commercially endorsed

do endorse a ticket you only need a Personal Survival Techniques STCW95 certificate and a ML5 medical from your doctor.

it costs £20 to the RYA here is the form;
http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollection...ion%20Form.pdf

there is a matrix;
http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollection...ed%20table.pdf

and info on when and why to code your boat

http://www.rya.org.uk/infoadvice/reg.../mcacodes.aspx

C2 RIBS · 09 October 2009, 14:13

I also find MCA helpful with coding, try e-mail codes@mcga.gov.uk with questions or call Andy Jenvey who has always answered my enqs

Scoobysnax · 09 October 2009, 14:20

your responses are much appreciated
thanks

Doug Stormforce · 10 October 2009, 23:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobysnax

If I use my RIB commercially then it needs to be coded (except in certain waters such as the Solent)

Not quite true, its just that Catogorised waters such as the Solent can fall under local authority licensing or extend the Cat 6 code.

Boats still need to be coded (or licensed).

Scoobysnax · 11 October 2009, 22:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Stormforce

Not quite true, its just that Catogorised waters such as the Solent can fall under local authority licensing or extend the Cat 6 code.

Boats still need to be coded (or licensed).

Hmm thats different to the advice I have received direct from the MCA who have advised I wouldnt need to have the boat coded if I kept inside the Solent

tugandtow · 11 October 2009, 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobysnax

Hmm thats different to the advice I have received direct from the MCA who have advised I wouldnt need to have the boat coded if I kept inside the Solent

the boat needs to be 'coded' by the local council

example

http://www.southampton.gov.uk/licens...asureboats.asp

Doug Stormforce · 11 October 2009, 23:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobysnax

Hmm thats different to the advice I have received direct from the MCA who have advised I wouldnt need to have the boat coded if I kept inside the Solent

While you might not need to be MCA coded in sheltered water such as the Solent you still need to be licensed by some kind of certyfying authority that the MCA is happy with. You can not just work your boat commercially without some kind of official licensing (which includes an inspection process).

MGN 280 Annex 4 gives a brief summary, there is more detail within another Marine Guidance Notice but can not remember off the top of my head which one.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news

tim griffin · 12 October 2009, 08:04

I f you go for Local Authority License
You will need Boat inspected on an anual basis and you will need your boatmans license the IOW Council insist that you get a medical through Occupational Health not ML5A although it might have changed since I got mine.

You cannot operate the boat on MCA qualifications you must have a Boatmans certificate not a problem just thought I should point it out.

As I operate my boats under both type of License.
Tim