90 or 100??? - Page 3

martini · 05 September 2010, 17:47

I need to keep my A frame camera rolling 24/7 I think, caught someone out earlier in the summer like that. Was it one of those two piles of s**t in the corner forward of me? If you've got damage you could go to harbours on the off chance they had a camera pointing in the right direction.

Downhilldai · 05 September 2010, 18:04

Back on topic, the DF100 is a 're-invented' motor. Soozook introduced a new range of 70-90hp outboards last year, all based on the same motor. They dropped the old DF60 & DF70 which were too heavy and also the original DF90, which was the same motor as the DF115. The old DF90 was 're-invented' as the 'new' DF100, as Soozook previously didn't have a 4-stroke 100.
So, the DF100 is old tech and the DF90 is a newer design motor which is a lot lighter and smaller cubic capacity. By all accounts, the DF90 is very economical, but I'm yet to try one out so can't comment further. I don't know how many 90hp etecs Mollers has run.

willk · 05 September 2010, 18:07

The new DF90 seems to have been a big success at Redbay. Of course they tend to use two of them together...

Mollers · 05 September 2010, 18:07

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Originally Posted by Downhilldai

. I don't know how many 90hp etecs Mollers has run.

Hightower · 05 September 2010, 18:50

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Originally Posted by BogMonster

From feedback on RIBnet, the Etec 3yr service interval doesn't necessarily mean that you won't need to do something to the engine through that time - spark plugs apparently don't last 300hrs whatever Evinrude say.

But at least if you don't touch it in that time period you won't affect the warranty in any way

Downhilldai · 05 September 2010, 18:59

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Have you, then?

BogMonster · 05 September 2010, 20:30

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But at least if you don't touch it in that time period you won't affect the warranty in any way

All part of the plan in my case

GJ0KYZ · 05 September 2010, 20:38

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Originally Posted by martini

I need to keep my A frame camera rolling 24/7 I think, caught someone out earlier in the summer like that. Was it one of those two piles of s**t in the corner forward of me? If you've got damage you could go to harbours on the off chance they had a camera pointing in the right direction.

It may have been. It looks like skeg damage from a raised auxillary, probably done when someone was manouvering out from the pontoon. I've patched the gelcoat but will need some black rubber straking from Ribcraft to go over the top as the damage is to the flange the sponson is glued to.

Chris · 05 September 2010, 20:41

I'm a great fan of E-tecs in general however the 3 cylinder 90HP is not known for the out and out power that the larger V4 and V6 blocks provide compared to other engines in the same class.

For example if you re-engined a rib that was running an older carbed Johnson or Evinrude 90hp which were based on the V4 block you would see a drop in performance albeit an increase in efficiency.

Would ribcraft not uprate the transom to take a 115 e-tec now that would be a good decision

I used to run the same on my 5.25 Osprey and loved it.

martini · 05 September 2010, 20:43

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Originally Posted by GJ0KYZ

It may have been. It looks like skeg damage from a raised auxillary, probably done when someone was manouvering out from the pontoon. I've patched the gelcoat but will need some black rubber straking from Ribcraft to go over the top as the damage is to the flange the sponson is glued to.

Hopefully not your mate with that awful chinese built rib, he's got an aux. And he couldn't drive a stick up a dogs a*se

Hope he's not on here!

GJ0KYZ · 05 September 2010, 20:58

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Hopefully not your mate with that awful chinese built rib, he's got an aux. And he couldn't drive a stick up a dogs a*se

Hope he's not on here!

No, Terry's kosher; I'm sure he'd 'fess up if he hit anything.

Downhilldai · 05 September 2010, 22:07

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I'm a great fan of E-tecs

Really?

Chris · 05 September 2010, 23:24

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Really?

Yes I know... I know, complete E-tec Anorak would be more approriate.

piranha580 · 06 September 2010, 00:22

Hey there.. I'm in the exact situation as you at the mo.. Getting a 5.8 and I e decided to stay with the 4stroke.. Less mess better resale too I reckon ... I was given the choice of a 100 Suzuki or the new df90 Suzuki and I've gone with the 90.. 40kgs or so lighter.. Better economy.. It revs higher than the 100, so Suzuki have said we should get the same top speed.. And a new arodynamic gear box too gives less resistance in the water.. All in all it sounds good but I'll let you know when I get it! :-) ...

Downhilldai · 06 September 2010, 09:42

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I've gone with the 90.. 40kgs or so lighter.. Better economy.. It revs higher than the 100, so Suzuki have said we should get the same top speed.. And a new arodynamic gear box too gives less resistance in the water..

I wonder why anyone would buy the DF100.....

piranha580 · 06 September 2010, 14:38

Yeah very true!! Mind you.. The new df90 is retailing at a couple hundred more than the 100 at the moment.. Strange!! But I guess it's because it's brand new off the production line and is packed with plenty of extras that aren't on the 100.. Even though it's more expnsive though it's not costing me anything extra in my package price .. Happy days!! :-)

HUMBER P4VWL · 06 September 2010, 22:25

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I wonder why anyone would buy the DF100.....

New technology, new problems perhaps?

Old yams are like goldust. New iPhones are always crap for 6 months. Direct injection two strokes were unreliable to start with. I'd never buy a first model anything until a load of other punters parted with their cash and tested it first.

Haggle for money off the outgoing tried and tested models is my theory if you intend to keep it.

Though i know there are other theories.

Poly · 06 September 2010, 22:51

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Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL

New technology, new problems perhaps?

Old yams are like goldust. New iPhones are always crap for 6 months. Direct injection two strokes were unreliable to start with. I'd never buy a first model anything until a load of other punters parted with their cash and tested it first.

Ah - that's how you get an reliable engine.... ....oh wait a minute....

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Haggle for money off the outgoing tried and tested models is my theory if you intend to keep it.

or they'll be happy to discount the old style stuff with old style problems for anyone willing to buy it whilst delivering the new product to customers with more refined taste and slightly deeper pockets?

HUMBER P4VWL · 06 September 2010, 23:15

knew that was coming!

Obviously don't buy an existing established model if it's crap!

I know nothing of the old/new suz, just a theory. Bit like the outgoing diesels on Willks redbays??? Get em while you can perhaps?

BogMonster · 07 September 2010, 01:09

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I'd never buy a first model anything until a load of other punters parted with their cash and tested it first.

Now that is something I agree with - especially if it's got a green oval on it