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20 March 2022, 20:32
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Country: UK - England
Town: Barrow in furness
Length: under 3m
Join Date: May 2016
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Any advice appreciated Honda 20hp
I have a 2017 Honda BF 20 on my rib and had it serviced in Feb by main dealer.Took it on lake today for first outing since the service and filled the tank with E10 petrol.
Ran the boat for 15 mins no probs then pulled onto jetty for a walk round,when we came back an hour later it struggled to start but did eventually and all was good again for 30 minutes on the lake.
On way back in the engine started to bog and lose power and it dropped down to about a third power even though throttle was on full.
I’m not sure if it was running on one cylinder only but after a couple of minutes chugging along it seemed to clear and went back to full power again.
As I was going back in to slipway it cut out twice and wouldn’t Rev,took cowell off and nothing untoward to see.
Not sure if it’s a fuel blockage,poor fuel E10 or something else but before I get someone to look at it does anyone have any suggestions as to what it could be.
Engine had full service in Feb and still under warranty till July.
I’m no mechanic so any help appreciated.
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20 March 2022, 20:41
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Country: UK - England
Town: Cambridgeshire
Boat name: Nimrod II
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Yam 15 Tohatsu 9.8
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 8,994
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Sounds like a fuel starvation problem but the other thing that's a known issue on this engine is the cam pulley working loose so the timing goes all over the place.
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20 March 2022, 21:11
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Country: UK - England
Town: Retford
Boat name: Spy-sea-one
Make: Excel 435
Length: 4m +
Engine: Suzuki Outboard/25/4
Join Date: Oct 2011
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If it’s a twin cylinder might be a dodgy spark plug. Was the tank empty when filled or old fuel possible water contamination
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20 March 2022, 21:55
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Country: UK - England
Town: suffolk
Boat name: not yet
Make: Gemini + XS
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki 140/merc 60
Join Date: Jan 2015
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You wouldnt be the first person to forget to open the air inlet screw on the top of the fuel tank !
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20 March 2022, 22:14
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Country: UK - England
Town: Barrow in furness
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Join Date: May 2016
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Re
Thank you for your replies,I will look into the fuel issues and see if I can find the issue.It’s never missed a beat before so I can’t see it being anything major but need it sorting.
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21 March 2022, 00:20
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Country: UK - England
Boat name: Redneck
Make: Excel
Length: 3m +
Engine: 20 efi & 9.8 2s
Join Date: Jul 2020
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Orwell boy
You wouldnt be the first person to forget to open the air inlet screw on the top of the fuel tank !
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Been there, done that and it's the first thing I'd be looking at.
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21 March 2022, 16:12
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Country: USA
Town: Dixon
Boat name: "H8 2 Swim"
Make: monaco yachtsman
Length: 4m +
Engine: OB
Join Date: Dec 2021
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Also check the fuel squeeze bulb, cylinder compression, and a possible vacuum in your fuel line.
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21 March 2022, 21:39
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Country: UK - England
Town: Barrow in furness
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Thanks for suggestions,I did fill the tank from more or less empty and wondering if I have air lock.I ll have a look at fuel tank and bulb tomorrow but it does sound like it could be a vacuum issue reading on the symptoms.
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07 April 2022, 19:36
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Edinburgh
Boat name: Excel Chalanger
Make: Highfield 380 Excel
Length: 4m +
Engine: 25 Yamaha 25Suzuki
MMSI: 235919522
Join Date: Oct 2014
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Flying Dutchman had this problem with outboard it was contaminated fuel E10 only has a life span of about 4 to 6 weeks the Yamaha dealer told us then it’s ruined for outboard but will still run in your car
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08 April 2022, 21:56
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Country: USA
Town: USA
Boat name: Smoke
Make: Zar Formenti
Length: 4m +
Engine: 100
Join Date: Mar 2022
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Through a moronic miscommunication, I added a gallon of water to the roughly 4 gallons of gas already in my internal gas tank. Don't remember all the details as this was a while back, but the boat behavior sounded a lot like yours. We drained all the fuel out of the tank. Fuel separator was totally filled with water. Put in fresh fuel and Star Tron, and life was good.
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08 April 2022, 22:22
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Country: UK - England
Boat name: Redneck
Make: Excel
Length: 3m +
Engine: 20 efi & 9.8 2s
Join Date: Jul 2020
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CherMac
Through a moronic miscommunication, I added a gallon of water to the roughly 4 gallons of gas already in my internal gas tank. Don't remember all the details as this was a while back, but the boat behavior sounded a lot like yours. We drained all the fuel out of the tank. Fuel separator was totally filled with water. Put in fresh fuel and Star Tron, and life was good.
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With a 20% water/petrol mix I'm surprised your engine even started!
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09 April 2022, 13:47
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Country: USA
Town: USA
Boat name: Smoke
Make: Zar Formenti
Length: 4m +
Engine: 100
Join Date: Mar 2022
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What happens is the water sinks to the bottom of the tank, and the gas floats on top. They don't mix together. So, the boat will run for a while until you accelerate and get the bow up or encounter waves. Water then starts getting fed into the engine, and the engine starts sputtering. If you let the boat sit without running (like OP pulling into a jetty and walking around for an hour), the water has time to settle back down. The experience gave me a better appreciation of not hanging out too close to breakwall rocks on wavy days in case the engine fails for some crazy reason.
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