Asda Fuel.

[chewy]

A friend reckons his Peugeot HDI doesn't like Ultra Low Sulphur diesel?

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by Blackroady

I am starting to wonder if a mid season filter change is worth it & changing to a glass bowl type filter so I can physically see if there is water in it . Have this on one boat but not the other.

Yeah, I'm toying with putting a jamjar in.

[Rogue Wave]

Strangely enough your'e better off buying your'e fuel from a supermarket as they 'polish' the tanks more regularly than private stations. Tesco in particularly have there tanks cleaned quite frequently especialy since the Bio Fuel incident.

The major reason is turnover the supermarkets buy and sell fuel cheaply in enormous quantities and can easily afford to pay for proper maintenance without hurting the profit too much.

A smaller station is less likely to go to the expense as because of the supermarkets they are struggling. All in all it's not a good situation.

Ask the station manager for a record of their tank service and ask what contractor does it, and do they use fibre cameras to check the condition. Also when were their filters changed last. You can be assured, as a result of health and safety beurocracy there will be paperwork in triplicate for this to happen.

Also the Trading Standards Dept have a fuel officer it might be worth involving him and finding out when that station was last inspected and where there any issues

I won't run boat with a filter that I can't see the fuel in BTW, albeit in thi instance it happenned very quickly and you wouldn't have noticed from observation

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

Strangely enough your'e better off buying your'e fuel from a supermarket as they 'polish' the tanks more regularly than private stations.....

Similarly, I can't buy into the 'poor' quality supermarket fuel theory. The potential for claims would be astronomic if these guys were selling fuel that could possibly damage any engine in anyway.

[wavelength]

complain to Treading Standards with when and which pump. If there is a problem then they will have had other complaints that tie in with your date and time - if it was the fuel you bought then. All the incidents I have dealt with have had several cars stopped within a few miles as any contaminent is swilling about in the car tank at the beginning before it has chance to settle to the bottom.
There is often a bit of water at the bottom of a garage tank and personally I would never fill when there is a tanker in there dropping a few thousand litre of fuel underground and stirring the contents up.
Strangest one I saw was an intermittent history of cars breaking down with water probs from one pump. Tank was ok with no water, test delivery of fuel was fine but still cars kept breaking down. Traced to a pinhole in the underground suction line from tank to pump which was sitting in a small void underground. When the void filled with water the suction line would suck it through the pinhole into customers car. Then with the level dropped nothing would happen for days or even weeks in a dry spell then some unlucky driver got the next batch of water.

[GED]

Originally Posted by chewy

Level sensors yes, sensors to see if the fuel is contaminated, no.

the Offshore Systems fuel level sender fitted to my Aircraft Rib detects water in the fuel in the tank

[Rogue Wave]

HOW MUCH WAS IT PLEASE?

[GED]

Me thinks it was a hundred and something pounds, I bought it as a package from the nice lady at nautiquipe. But what I will tell you, it is amazing how accurate it is

[m chappelow]

our local petrol station is in the bottom of a steep hill next to a river and which is prone to heavy mist and dew at times certain times of the year ,a few years ago they had a lot of problems with condensation getting into cars .

[chewy]

Originally Posted by GED

the Offshore Systems fuel level sender fitted to my Aircraft Rib detects water in the fuel in the tank

Smart bit of kit.

If petrol stations did monitor what was in the tank then we'd never have problems.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6409025.stm

[wavelength]

If petrol stations did monitor what was in the tank then we'd never have problems.

that clip was a blend problem at refinery which I doubt any filling station sensor would have picked up. Considering the thru-put of a busy supermaket filling station they have surprisingly few problems. Older stations with slow turnover would worry me more. There seems to be no proof that the original incident at the start of the thread was indeed caused by water in the fuel as delivered from the pump. Surely everyone with built in tanks has an in-line water seperator.

[willk]

Originally Posted by wavelength

There seems to be no proof that the original incident at the start of the thread was indeed caused by water in the fuel as delivered from the pump.

Agreed. I put that Choc Ice in his tank

Originally Posted by wavelength

Surely everyone with built in tanks has an in-line water seperator.

They do now

[Mollers]

To pick-up on Wavelength's points. It was water without shadow of a doubt. It sat at the bottom of the jamjar and we tasted it.

How do you suggest it got in there other than via the fuel pump?

I have two filter/separators, One in the fuel line, the other under the cowl.


FYI. I checked the primary filter again today From the 1/2 pint that the filter held there was perhaps 1/2 a thimble of brown water sludge which would suggest that I'm rid of the stuff.

[Rogue Wave]

stick some jollup in try fuelset also you can get a fuel.water test paste he botom of the tank if it comes back a difernt colour you got water

[JSP]

Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

stick some jollup in try fuelset also you can get a fuel.water test paste he botom of the tank if it comes back a difernt colour you got water

Right you've got my permission (not that you'd need it anyway) to shoot me down but is there nothing like a test strip (like the ones GP's use for testing your water) that you can dip into the fuel and it gives a reading if there's water init.

[chewy]

Anyone recommend a seperator for a 60hp clamshell?

[wavelength]

How do you suggest it got in there other than via the fuel pump

Not knowing all the facts from both sides I would be reluctant to suggest anything but if you have complained as previously advised and there are no other complaints of a similar nature and timing to yours I would say, playing devil's advocate, it allows reasonable doubt on your conclusions. If it was delivering all that crap the surrounding area should be littered with dead cars and motorbikes. Was the water already in there perhaps? and you have stirred it up with the delivery-I really don't know. But if you have complained and the TSO has done his job he should know of other complaints, should have had a test delivery and dipped the tank for water (although not always possible with offset fills), and should have checked what time there was a tanker there to fill that tank compartment in case it stirred the s***e up.

[Bigmuz7]

Originally Posted by wavelength

Was the water already in there perhaps? and you have stirred it up with the delivery-I really don't know. But if you have complained and the TSO has done his job he should know of other complaints,

without the ability to corroborate problems from other fuel users its impossible to say IMHO.. and I'm sure the garage wont pipe up, but I agree, with such a high turnover of gas its less than likely

BUT in Mollers' defence.. I have had a car that got loaded with shit from a local station so the problem definately exists, perhaps he got a fill somewhere else that caused it, and took a while to feed through in any troublesome quantity

[willk]

Originally Posted by Mollers

It sat at the bottom of the jamjar and we tasted it.

OK, so it wasn't a Choc Ice, but I'm sticking with my story.

[Bigmuz7]

Originally Posted by willk

OK, so it wasn't a Choc Ice, but I'm sticking with my story.

naow Ar you sayin de oirish arr behoind de cornish in daer choice of bevvy sor.. in which case oid agree wit you sor .. only .. oive got some catchin up to doo