Big 2-smokes >> Like a Larsen Trap for Matt H

[Pikey Dave]

[EDIT by Poly - I have split this post and the next 30 off from the 2 strokes thread in the SIBs section. Since people are getting all upset about the distinction between small 2 strokes and big strokes - lets keep this thread for anything too big for one person to lift without specialist equipment! Oh, and whilst its tempting to bait Matt H, its cruel, so he is best ignored! ]


2 strokes are very much still available & still the best engine tech to hang on the back of a boat...IMO

[simonafloat]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

2 strokes are very much still available & still one of the best engines to hang on the back of a boat...IMO

Are the new ones still mainly coming through the channel islands?

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by simonafloat

Are the new ones still mainly coming through the channel islands?

Nope, you can buy upto 300hp 2 strokes off the shelf at your local Evinrude dealer

[simonafloat]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Nope, you can buy upto 300hp 2 strokes off the shelf at your local Evinrude dealer

Ah, yes the etecs. But what about old school premix carburetted models?

Originally Posted by simonafloat

Are the new ones still mainly coming through the channel islands?

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by simonafloat

Ah, yes the etecs. But what about old school premix carburetted models?

Ahhh now! You've moved the goal posts[emoji6]

[simonafloat]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Ahhh now! You've moved the goal posts[emoji6]

I just like the absolute simplicity of a traditional 2stroke. How do the etecs compare in terms of simplicity and weight?

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by simonafloat

I just like the absolute simplicity of a traditional 2stroke. How do the etecs compare in terms of simplicity and weight?

Mechanically much simpler, hence the longer service intervals. Weight wise similar to modern 4 strokes, but you have to wonder where the 4strokes have had material removed to get the weight down. Etecs are Marmite & most of the knockers will probably never have driven one. I've had Etecs & currently own a Suzuki, the Etecs would pi55 all over the Suzi both in performance & cost of ownership [emoji849] fuel economy is indistinguishable between the 2 techs.

[spartacus]

Still got a Tohatsu MC60 2006 hanging off the back of my Ribcraft.

Tohatsu is a bit agricultural compared to modern 4-strokes with fuel injection, Y-Cop (fitted to Yamaha) and plug in diagnostics but I wouldn't have it any other way.

I can't justify £6,500 to upgrade to a new Yamaha F70 so staying put. Besides I like the grunt if 2-stroke and service it myself.

I see Evinrude are offering 10 year warranty on all their engines up to the end of this month. Warranty is transferable up to 1,500 hours or 10 years, whichever is sooner. Only thing that would put me off is their outboard saddle breaks (and their poor handling in disputes) which has been mentioned on the forum already.

[jonp]

I smelt one over the weekend which took me back to the bad old days

Went 4 stroke 18 years ago and since owned many boats and makes of 4stroke and wouldn't have anything else. In saying that some of the latest diesel outboards are getting more and more of my attention.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TPMvFUBd31o

[wellhouse]

nothing wrong with 2 strokes, both my current ribs have them. Generally lighter, take a yamaha 4 stroke f150 225kg approx, yamaha 150hpdi 2 stroke 210kg and Evinrude 150 etec 190kg as an example. 'Modernish' 2 strokes like the hpdi and etec smoke no more than a four stroke from what i can see and seem to have a lot more grunt in real life. There was a tug of war 2 stroke versus 4 stroke on you tube which was a good indication of what i mean size for size. Generally cheaper maintenance and Evinrude currently give a 10 year warrantee as an offer, What's not to like?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzo4ps9-yqI

Personally i like them!

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Mechanically much simpler, hence the longer service intervals. Weight wise similar to modern 4 strokes, but you have to wonder where the 4strokes have had material removed to get the weight down. Etecs are Marmite & most of the knockers will probably never have driven one. I've had Etecs & currently own a Suzuki, the Etecs would pi55 all over the Suzi both in performance & cost of ownership [emoji849] fuel economy is indistinguishable between the 2 techs.

Blimey ....If it's that bad! When you swapping back then Dave?.

My 250 Suz certainly didn't get pissed all over in a field test we did with a Brand new Etec 250 ....Which was on a lighter Boat
I hadn't relished you had tested all models on all Hulls Mate.
Like I've tried to tell you I don't think yours is set up properly (to optimum) anyway...which does make a hell of a difference as I know from personal experience

[jonp]

Thought my Yam f 70 4 stroke was lighter than the equivalent 2 strokes, obviously I'm wrong. Having owned 2 strokes and also bought boats with them already, the first thing I do is stick on a 4 stroke. Looking forward to the time when the diesel outboards are more available through the entire hp range so I can enjoy more torque and even better economy.

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by Maximus

Blimey ....If it's that bad! When you swapping back then Dave?.

My 250 Suz certainly didn't get pissed all over in a field test we did with a Brand new Etec 250 ....Which was on a lighter Boat
I hadn't relished you had tested all models on all Hulls Mate.
Like I've tried to tell you I don't think yours is set up properly (to optimum) anyway...which does make a hell of a difference as I know from personal experience

Don't think I haven't thought about swapping !!
I reckon Hadds boat would leave me standing & he has (allegedly) 10 horses fewer than I have.
So far the engine has been serviced 3 times in its 2 year life at a cost of around £600 + a day of my time on each occasion + towing fuel. An Etec would still be a year from its first service.
Regarding setup, The engine is as high as it will go, achieves bang on 6000rpm at WOT & is swinging a 4blade prop. The current performance is as good as I can get it.
Don't get me wrong, it does what is says on the tin, & had I never had an Etec powered boat I'd be happy as Larry. I just miss the grunt & response of the 2 stroke. Once you've drunk Champagne why would you want to go back to lager?[emoji57]

[matt h]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Don't think I haven't thought about swapping !!
I reckon Hadds boat would leave me standing & he has (allegedly) 10 horses fewer than I have.
So far the engine has been serviced 3 times in its 2 year life at a cost of around £600 + a day of my time on each occasion + towing fuel. An Etec would still be a year from its first service.
Regarding setup, The engine is as high as it will go, achieves bang on 6000rpm at WOT & is swinging a 4blade prop. The current performance is as good as I can get it.
Don't get me wrong, it does what is says on the tin, & had I never had an Etec powered boat I'd be happy as Larry. I just miss the grunt & response of the 2 stroke. Once you've drunk Champagne why would you want to go back to lager?[emoji57]

Yeh but I heard your helming skills are left wanting so maybe get some one who has the experience to check it out for you as I know a 545 with a 140 is an awesome craft, maybe avoid the cheap champagne from now on.
Reference servicing costs which seem very high to me. how much would you have spent in expensive two stroke oil and how long does it take to sell a boat with twin etecs?
A 6 months
B 12 months
C 18 months +

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by matt h

Yeh but I heard your helming skills are left wanting so maybe get some one who has the experience to check it out for you as I know a 545 with a 140 is an awesome craft, maybe avoid the cheap champagne from now on.
Reference servicing costs which seem very high to me. how much would you have spent in expensive two stroke oil and how long does it take to sell a boat with twin etecs?
A 6 months
B 12 months
C 18 months +

Ahh! Little Mattie, wondered how long it would take, you didn't disappoint [emoji57]

18 months + actually, and I got the full asking. But then again, I could afford to wait. If the boat hadn't been a diving layout it would have sold much sooner. I actually had people ringing because it had Etecs, but the layout didn't suit them.

[matt h]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Ahh! Little Mattie, wondered how long it would take, you didn't disappoint [emoji57]

18 months + actually, and I got the full asking. But then again, I could afford to wait. If the boat hadn't been a diving layout it would have sold much sooner. I actually had people ringing because it had Etecs, but the layout didn't suit them.

Question is not including travelling fuel and anything else you want to bung on to up the annual servicing cost of your wonderful Suzuki.. how much would it have cost to supply those evilrudes with two stroke oil in those two years?

[Rover310]

Shame this thread has gone off-topic, and become a 'brand' pissing contest.

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by Rover310

Shame this thread has gone off-topic, and become a 'brand' pissing contest.

I agree, and it was constructive until someone with nothing positive to contribute chimed in, as usual.

[jambo]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

I agree, and it was constructive until someone with nothing positive to contribute chimed in, as usual.

Wonder who????????????????

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by jambo

Wonder who????????????????

You won't have to look far Billy, although you may have to look down[emoji6]