Chinese Clone Motors. Any good?? - Page 4

chipko · 07 January 2025, 20:01

Well the Chinese clone now at two and a bit years young has now completed its second full season so probably time for a bit of an update.

Not seen quite as much use this year with around thirty hours and just over a hundred hours total as now competing with our new to us Yamaha 15. It has seen service on the Elling, Kolibri SeaCat, Aerotec and Cruiser 380 this year with back to back testing alongside the Yamaha. We’ve also changed our rib for a hard hull this year, so the sibs have reluctantly taken a back seat some days.

So how’s it faired. Well it’s still running faultlessly with performance indistinguishable from its blueprint Yamaha….actually pulls consistently about 50 or so more revs than the Yam on the same 11” props. No mechanical issues, starts first pull (usually) from cold and a lazy half pull warm. Service wise just plugs out, gap set and cleaned, grease points greased, gear oil changed and new fibre washers. No special treatment as such but still looked after and washed/flushed after each use, as are all our motors. Paintwork looking surprisingly good considering exclusively saltwater use with no corrosion evident on leg and virtually non under the hood. Perhaps minor corrosion just visible where engine block bolts to lower unit in the bottom of the engine tray. Also very light salty deposit/corrosion (wipes off) adjacent head/thermostat gasket area. The faint blooming to the paint noticed on the lower leg after use in the first season seems to not occur at all now.

So still continue to be impressed with the clone.

Fenlander · 07 January 2025, 20:56

Probably the most legit test of these motors we've seen. You can't really argue that it's been a total success for such a low price.

Steve509926 · 07 January 2025, 23:30

Great update chipko, definitely gives food for thought in later years.

User name · 09 January 2025, 11:26

Great to see it's still choochin'.

Recently I got my hands on a used Hangkai 18hp from a friend and it seems to be the same as yours, minus the branding. It's been used/abused for 2ish years without issue but runs like a champ in the limited testing I did. The quality impressed me.

Fenlander · 09 January 2025, 16:57

We've noticed before some of the Chinese outboards that are clear clones of major makes claim higher outputs but with same basic specs so this extra 3hp over the Yamaha 15 it's based on needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

chipko · 09 January 2025, 17:32

User name good to hear there’s another clone out there on the forum. Some pics if you have any would be interesting to see.

Ours is a Anqidi or Aiqidi depending on how they feel on the day. It’s also sold in 9.9, 15 and 18hp guises but unless the carb/jetting varies, and even then can’t see where the extra power comes from on the 18, as the reeds are set fully open on the 15. The older Yam 9.9 and 15 are identical apart from the reed aperture and on newer ones even the reeds are the same with the 9.9 now just fitted with a restrictor on the throttle linkage.

Even though ours has been great, still looks good and never missed a beat over two seasons and 100 hours use, would still be hesitant to recommend as it will have zilch resale value and the depreciation alone makes it more expensive to own than a Yam at nearly three times the price.

Looking forward to hearing how you get on with the Hangkai

beerbelly · 09 January 2025, 18:54

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Originally Posted by chipko

User name good to hear there’s another clone out there on the forum. Some pics if you have any would be interesting to see.

Ours is a Anqidi or Aiqidi depending on how they feel on the day. It’s also sold in 9.9, 15 and 18hp guises but unless the carb/jetting varies, and even then can’t see where the extra power comes from on the 18, as the reeds are set fully open on the 15. The older Yam 9.9 and 15 are identical apart from the reed aperture and on newer ones even the reeds are the same with the 9.9 now just fitted with a restrictor on the throttle linkage.

Even though ours has been great, still looks good and never missed a beat over two seasons and 100 hours use, would still be hesitant to recommend as it will have zilch resale value and the depreciation alone makes it more expensive to own than a Yam at nearly three times the price.

Looking forward to hearing how you get on with the Hangkai

is there any where in the uki could order one of these im not sure about ordering from china

chipko · 10 January 2025, 01:02

To be honest don’t know if there are any UK based outlets where you could order from, we couldn’t find any a couple of years back. Have seen a few ‘new’ ones advertised on eBay over the years from private resellers, but very scarce.

Of course Parsun are available here in the UK, a fair bit pricier than an import but at least come with the benefit of a warranty.

User name · 10 January 2025, 14:10

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Originally Posted by chipko

...as it will have zilch resale value and the depreciation alone makes it more expensive to own than a Yam at nearly three times the price.

Exactly that. I got it for almost nothing and I wasn't expecting it to be great. The first trip it had out with the original owner, he wasn't aware he was supposed to put gear oil in it so it was nearly dry for that whole day. Since then though, he's put 2 years use on it and it never gave any trouble.

I don't even know what I'm going to do with it, but it just piqued my curiosity. I reckon the HP ratings are just marketing nonsense and that the engines are otherwise the same tbh. Though there is another Hankai that's 9.9ish but based on a Tohatsu motor if I remember correctly.

Fenlander · 10 January 2025, 14:52

>>>there is another Hankai that's 9.9ish but based on a Tohatsu motor if I remember correctly.

In 2-strokes they have a Tohatsu 9.8 clone which they also offer as a 12hp... still with the 169cc block that the 9.8/8/6 range share. Another work of fiction I reckon.

Keithb77 · 15 February 2025, 18:17

Greetings from Canada! We recently picked up a 9.8 4-stroke. Made by Parsun. Labeled as a “Coleman” brand. We picked it up for practically nothing. The engine wouldn’t run without the choke on. The Previous owner didn’t have a clue. He stored itn with ethanol based fuel left in the carb. We knew what to do. It is 9 yrs old but appears to have very little use. Seller claimed it was used about 10 times. It came with a 3.3M SIB also in very good condition.

We took it home and started looking at things. The mounted rear fuel pump was leaking. The housing was cracked. We found thatb a 4 to 9 HP Yamaha 2001-2009 fuel pump was an exact match. Installed it and it fired right up. The carb work was next.

We disassembled the carb. As predicted we found the pilot jet plugged solid. Ethanol residue. We put the carb parts in my ultrasonic cleaner. All parts are looking great now. Still cleaning as I type here. Will reassemble and report back.

We are being extremely careful with parts. Being sure not to break anything. Some parts seem hard to find. Others would need to be matched with Yamaha or Tohatsu parts.
We have a laser cutter to make our own gaskets as needed. We can probably get by pretty good with the parts situation.

We have yet to try the engine and SIB on the water. We still have plenty of snow and ice here on our lakes and rivers. We’ll be a few months yet before we can try it out.

Keeping an eye out for SIBS and motors we actually acquired 4 other outboards as well. All older small 2-stoke Mercs. All made in Canada. Including:
‘74 9.8
‘79 9.8
‘81 7.5
‘90 8.0

All were low priced. Some engines are getting rebuilt. I’m doing it myself. Others are like new and ready to go. We’ll get them all out and perform head to head testing. We’ll probably keep 3 and sell 2.

When I say “we” I mean my son and I. He’s 26 and keen to learn and have fun. We both have a SIB. We’ll be fishing and cruising soon!

Steve509926 · 15 February 2025, 19:42

Hi Keith, good first post.

When you say branded Coleman, do you mean as in Coleman camping etc?

Keithb77 · 15 February 2025, 20:13

Yes the camping company “Coleman” decals are on it.

An update: We just reassembled the carb and fired it up. It works as new once again. It purrs, idles with no choke and is very quiet running. Just the carb bowl gasket that we disturbed is leaking. A little on-line research shows the Mercury 9.9 4-stroke carb kit is a mostly match. The jets don’t match but everything else looks correct. We’ll order it now. More proof this Parsun engine is a mix-match of various major manufacturers parts, reverse engineered.

You can see it here: https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/c...-0798528p.html

User name · 15 February 2025, 21:55

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Yes the camping company “Coleman” decals are on it.
A little on-line research shows the Mercury 9.9 4-stroke carb kit is a mostly match. The jets don’t match but everything else looks correct.

If that's the same the the Parsun 9.8BM then it'll likely be compatible with Tohatsu 9.8 parts.