Dealers responses

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by willk

I don't of course, I just think that you're a "mainstream" kinda buyer

"mainstream" being a euphemism for..............................................? Fill in the blanks.

[PeterM]

Originally Posted by Poly

Really are those %age comparisons valid?

I would have guessed that etec had at least a 10% market share across the range of engines they sell (i.e. 30+HP). 0.1% of vehicles on the roads are electric. There are still major issues which prevent most people adopting electric cars (battery life, recharge time, distance between charges, long term resale value). I'm not aware of ETEC's being regarded as "risky new tech" by most people.

Its not like etecs are "THAT" different to 4 strokes anyway they still mix petrol and air, squeeze it and explode it with a well timed spark. And to my understanding Etecs are not that different to Optimax, HPDI, TLDI engines so there will be plenty of engineers around that have experience of this type of tech even if BRP were no longer around.

I'd think 1 in 10 engines in use being an etec is wildly optimistic .

If they were 'that' good then maybe they'd get the share up - but it is a marmite thing like I said . I have no 'problem' with them or anyone that has one ( I said I drove a bot with one - great sound pick up, responsiveness etc ) ,but I choose how I spend my money and for me its an efi 4 stroke everytime .

Etecs aren't 'that' different - but they stand out as a different tech to the way ALL the biggest UK suppliers have gone.

I've owned 3 Johnson 2 strokes ( 2 from new) and trust Mike Vincent totally to sort any problems out - but just not for me ( unless anyone wants to pay the money for a new 25 with PTT & elec start for me ? )

Weight wise I cant even work out the code on the chart ;
http://www.evinrude.com/Content/Pdf/...f?version=1577

whats a 25 elec start PTT long shaft weigh ?

[Seaflyer02]

I would think BRP will be around far longer than a lot of other manufacturers considering they make:
Snowmobiles, jet skis, Rotax engines used in a lot of racing karts, micro lights and ultra light aircraft, I think they also manufactured a business jet. I know Virgin's InterCity's were also built by Bombardier and they are into financial markets.

I have run Evinrude's since early 80's and I have found them to be fantastic engines so I would not hesitate to get an Etec.
It is down to the individual's choice like said earlier in this thread 2 stroke v 4 stroke, inboard v outboard you get what you like.

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by PeterM

whats a 25 elec start PTT long shaft weigh ?

80kg with remote steering/controls. Bit of a moot point though

[Poly]

Originally Posted by PeterM

I'd think 1 in 10 engines in use being an etec is wildly optimistic .

Well that's not actually what I said. I said 10% of the market. (which would normally be measured by value rather than volume, and since you are buying new I'm talking new).

As a very crude measure though... 11% of the petrol engined boats who have completed a RIBase entry list Etec in the engine field. And of the ribnet membership ~6% of those who list an O/board manuf on their profile included an ETEC. So bearing in mind that there are a lot of old engines, and old profiles on RIBnet and SIBs in the sub-Etec size range, I don't think I'll be wildly out with my 10% of sales value in the range they cover suggestion.

Nobody is telling you how to spend your money - but people are legitimately questioning the rationale for some of your claims.

[biffer]

What's wrong with you lot. He said it was his opinion and that should be good enough. 10% of this .1% of that. There's a lot more cars than outboards sold. My opinion is you guys north are having a go at him for ripping into mollers. But that's my opinion

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by biffer

What's wrong with you lot. He said it was his opinion and that should be good enough. 10% of this .1% of that. There's a lot more cars than outboards sold. My opinion is you guys north are having a go at him for ripping into mollers. But that's my opinion

Nay Biff, calm down lad. That's a new 'un, us northerners ganging up to defend Mollers:P



Scent from my iBone sow iguana any typos whore bed spillings

[biffer]

Sorry old mate. They sound like a bunch of Brighton queens bitch about someone's bikini line

[Poly]

Originally Posted by biffer

My opinion is you guys north are having a go at him for ripping into mollers.

you appear to be mistaken - ripping into mollers is generally seen as healthy sport in these parts...

But that's my opinion

Biff - if he didn't want to discuss his opinion he'd have kept it to himself rather than posting it on an internet forum!

[biffer]

I thought he was giving black dog a pat on the back for being a top bloke and you're a fine one to talk about opinion, just for the record and this will never change, the only person I don't like on here is Poly or the man in any other name, and I say this with more conviction than my first post as I've had a cuppa

[willk]

Originally Posted by biffer

Sorry old mate. They sound like a bunch of Brighton queens bitch about someone's bikini line

Originally Posted by biffer

I just can't stand that Poly, she's like, so full of herself! And she says the meanest things!

[biffer]

Oi don't you start. I can't believe that I said. The meanest things. One of my many faults is that once I've made up my mind I don't like someone that's it and nothing can change that and I move on. It's like having piles. They come back from time to time but you never grow to like them

[kerny]

Originally Posted by biffer

Sorry old mate. They sound like a bunch of Brighton queens bitch about someone's bikini line