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06 August 2023, 13:25
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Country: UK - Wales
Town: Anglesey
Boat name: Betty blue
Make: Rib craft
Length: 6m +
Engine: 150hp outboard
Join Date: Aug 2022
Posts: 22
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Engine maxing out at 4600
Hi there,
I have a Yamaha 150 on a 5.8 rib quest that currently does 42 knots. It maxes out at 4600 but the official Yamaha range is 4500 to 5500. Does anyone have any advice on how to squeeze the last little bit out?
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06 August 2023, 13:37
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Member
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Pembroke
Boat name: Rapscallion
Make: Humber Destroyer 6.0
Length: 5m +
Engine: E-TEC 150
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 360
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Are you running fully trimmed out? What prop are you running? I assume you're after max boat speed, not just to hit max engine speed?
Clearly you need to get your trim spot on for max boat speed, not just engine trim angle but also boat loading.
You could try a shorter pitch prop but you might not actually achieve more boat speed as you've only got about 12% of your rev range left, and going down a pitch will typically gear you down about 10-11% so any gain would be marginal. You would of course get slightly better acceleration
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06 August 2023, 14:13
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Member
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Anglesey
Boat name: Betty blue
Make: Rib craft
Length: 6m +
Engine: 150hp outboard
Join Date: Aug 2022
Posts: 22
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Boat trim is pretty spot on I think. It gets really wobbly and sensitive to any steering change. I’m after max boat speed. Apparently it once had a bigger prop on that took it up to 49 knots. Will maybe just have to experiment with a bigger prop.
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06 August 2023, 21:40
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Member
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Pembroke
Boat name: Rapscallion
Make: Humber Destroyer 6.0
Length: 5m +
Engine: E-TEC 150
Join Date: Jul 2006
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By bigger, I presume you mean longer pitch. That's not going to raise your engine speed. Given your engine isn't reaching max revs with the now shorter prop it's going to drop even further with a longer one. Dependant on the power curve of your engine you might get a few more kts but given your current wide-open engine speed I'd say that was unlikely....but there's only one way to be sure....
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06 August 2023, 22:52
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: DF140a
MMSI: 235111389
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 12,165
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Engine maxing out at 4600
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brunedaprune
Boat trim is pretty spot on I think. It gets really wobbly and sensitive to any steering change. I’m after max boat speed. Apparently it once had a bigger prop on that took it up to 49 knots. Will maybe just have to experiment with a bigger prop.
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If the boat is getting twitchy at your current speed, increasing top end probably won’t end well. You’re at the bottom end of the recommended rev range, so you’re wandering into overpropping territory by going higher pitch. You’ll sacrifice holeshot for more top end, IMHO hole shot (I.e. throttle response) is more important on a balanced outfit than top speed.
Overpropping risks premature engine failure.
Ultimately it’s your call.
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07 August 2023, 08:39
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Easdale
Boat name: Miss Isle
Make: Solent 6.9
Length: 6m +
Engine: 225 optimax
Join Date: Jan 2008
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How clean is your hull? Easy to lose revs and speed if your dragging a sea garden around
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07 August 2023, 08:42
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Member
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Pembroke
Boat name: Rapscallion
Make: Humber Destroyer 6.0
Length: 5m +
Engine: E-TEC 150
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
If the boat is getting twitchy at your current speed, increasing top end probably won’t end well. You’re at the bottom end of the recommended rev range, so you’re wandering into overpropping territory by going higher pitch. You’ll sacrifice holeshot for more top end, IMHO hole shot (I.e. throttle response) is more important on a balanced outfit than top speed.
Overpropping risks premature engine failure.
Ultimately it’s your call.
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Good advice as usual from PD [emoji106][emoji106]
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09 August 2023, 13:36
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Country: Australia
Town: Dalmeny
Make: zodiac
Length: 5m +
Engine: outboard
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I would be using a smaller pitch prop to get the rpm closer to the recommended max rpm range to reduce the engine labouring.
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09 August 2023, 15:40
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: DF140a
MMSI: 235111389
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jonp
I would be using a smaller pitch prop to get the rpm closer to the recommended max rpm range to reduce the engine labouring.
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Agreed, but I don’t think that’s what the OP wants to hear
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09 August 2023, 20:22
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RIBnet admin team
Country: Ireland
Length: 4m +
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 14,898
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brunedaprune
Does anyone have any advice on how to squeeze the last little bit out?
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Leave the prop alone. Lighten the boat - be ruthless, eat less pies and find a skinny partner (you'll thank me in the end). Polish the hull and loose the flags. You'll be pleasantly surprised...
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12 August 2023, 07:57
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RIBnet admin team
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: Tohatsu 30HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
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42 knots on a 5.8 - how much faster do you want to go?
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12 August 2023, 09:35
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RIBnet admin team
Country: Ireland
Length: 4m +
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Poly
how much faster do you want to go?
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R+25% tends to be the target, where R= a Reasonable Speed...
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12 August 2023, 10:04
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Aberdeenshire
Boat name: Sula
Make: Ribcraft 4.8m
Length: 4m +
Engine: Tohatsu 70hp + aux
MMSI: 235087213
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by willk
Eat less pies.
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We all need to do this to achieve warp speed.
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12 August 2023, 11:05
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RIBnet admin team
Country: Ireland
Length: 4m +
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 14,898
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spartacus
We all need to do this to achieve warp speed.
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To avoid Pie R squared - where you just go around in circles...
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