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05 December 2010, 19:51
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RIBnet supporter
Country: UK - England
Town: Dinard, Brittany
Boat name: Into the Red
Make: Osprey Vipermax
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Originally Posted by Downhilldai
How much oil does a V6 e-tec burn in 50 hours?
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Less than a V6 Opti
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05 December 2010, 19:55
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#42
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Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Downhilldai
Your silence on this thread has been deafening. ![smilie](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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Leave him alone, he's been busy in "another place" abusing the cousins
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05 December 2010, 19:57
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#43
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Member
Country: UK - Wales
Town: West Wales
Make: Vipermax 5.8, SR4.7
Length: 5m +
Engine: 150 Opti, F50EFi
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
Depends on usage & engine size, V6 range is 150-300hp. ........ At idle, virtually no oil is used.
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You don't buy a V6 to run around at idle RPM though?
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Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
This however is burned within the engine & is exhausted as carbon. No raw oil leaves the engine.
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I expect that's what happens to waste 4-stroke oil. They must have stopped dumping it in the sea by now?
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05 December 2010, 20:01
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#44
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Length: 5m +
Engine: 150 Opti, F50EFi
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gotchiguy
Less than a V6 Opti ![wink](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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Not according to what Chris said.
What's your experience of running a V6 Opti?
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05 December 2010, 20:06
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#45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Downhilldai
You don't buy a V6 to run around at idle RPM though?
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You'd be surprised how many are used for "trolling"
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Originally Posted by Downhilldai
I expect that's what happens to waste 4-stroke oil. They must have stopped dumping it in the sea by now? ![razz](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
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Touche!
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05 December 2010, 20:09
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#46
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Country: UK - England
Town: Dinard, Brittany
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Originally Posted by willk
It's much worse than that. Why do they have to dip their 'orrible sumps? To top 'em up is why! And where did the oil go I wonder... ![idea](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/brainbulb.gif)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Downhilldai
They must have stopped dumping it in the sea by now? ![razz](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
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One other thing...doesn't the fact that XD100 is fully synthetic mean that it is much more environmentally friendly to produce, and unlike products made from naturally sourced oil doesn't it degrade much more quickly?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Downhilldai
What's your experience of running a V6 Opti? ![roll eyes](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
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Enough to know that e-tec are superior
I think I asked mister Vanstone about this and he appeared to term it "utter boll*x" but when we were over at Barmouth with Roy, he told us that OMC were actually involved in the creation of the Optimax but then broke away from Mercury and continued to develop the Opti through the ficht into what is now the etec. Chris seemed to reckon that this was crap and that OMC had come upon a small German firm who had developed the FICHT and then took it on and developed it into the etec?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Downhilldai
You don't buy a V6 to run around at idle RPM though?
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Them Yanks do
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Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
You'd be surprised how many are used for "trolling"
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I don't really understand the mentality over there TBH, the only types of boating that they do are either racing or bl**** fishing
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05 December 2010, 20:16
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#47
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Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gotchiguy
One other thing...doesn't the fact that XD100 is fully synthetic mean that it is much more environmentally friendly to produce, and unlike products made from naturally sourced oil doesn't it degrade much more quickly?
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Dunno
Quote:
Originally Posted by gotchiguy
Enough to know that e-tec are superior ![wink](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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Ooh dear. In that case, it would appear that your undying loyalty to the e-tec brand is founded upon virtually (or perhaps that should read 'actually') nothing.
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05 December 2010, 20:30
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#48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Downhilldai
it would appear that your undying loyalty to the e-tec brand is founded upon virtually nothing:
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The only reason that I currently support the Evinrude brand is because it is the best of the best.
In my opinion, directly injected 2 strokes are technically superior to the current four strokes. There are 3 main DFI 2 stroke producing manufactures and of them I feel that the etec is the strongest, hence, my vote lies with BRP.
In the 4 stroke field, I believe that the new Yamaha SHOs look interesting, the fact that they are openly showing them competing against series 2s would indicate that the performance is more than simply claims.
If they were a little lighter, then I reckon that the Verados could be awesome engines and well within a shot
And anyway, what has Mercury got up its sleeve for the new emissions regs, aren't they coming sometime next year?
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05 December 2010, 20:42
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#49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gotchiguy
The only reason that I currently support the Evinrude brand is because it is the best of the best.
In my opinion, directly injected 2 strokes are technically superior to the current four strokes. There are 3 main DFI 2 stroke producing manufactures and of them I feel that the etec is the strongest, hence, my vote lies with BRP.
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What did you think of the FICHT & DI Evinrudes, when they were produced?
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05 December 2010, 20:48
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Town: jersey
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Make: Arctic 28/FC470
Length: 8m +
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Downhilldai
What did you think of the FICHT & DI Evinrudes, when they were produced?
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I know what I think, I used to own a Ficht. Went bang after less than a season
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05 December 2010, 20:52
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#51
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RIBnet supporter
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Downhilldai
What did you think of the FICHT & DI Evinrudes, when they were produced?
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Unlike Optimax, Suzuki DF & DT, etec, Verado, Honda T***tec and probably others, I have never been on one, so cannot comment
AFAIU though, some found them incredibly powerful and efficient, wheras for a fair few they simply went boom ![chuckle](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif) Although when BRP took over and introduced FICHT RAM I believe that there were very very few reliability issues with the engines
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05 December 2010, 20:52
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#52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martini
I know what I think, I used to own a Ficht. Went bang after less than a season ![sick](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/sick.gif)
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Unfortunately, you weren't alone in suffering this predicament.
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05 December 2010, 20:55
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#53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gotchiguy
AFAIU though, some found them incredibly powerful and efficient, wheras for a fair few they simply went boom ![chuckle](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif)
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There may be a connection there.
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05 December 2010, 20:56
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#54
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My last RIB had a 175 FICHT on it, bloody good engine, the only problem I had in 6 years was a fuel pump. It went like sh1t off a shovel, mind you on a 585 Ribcraft it ought to
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05 December 2010, 20:56
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How did this thread go from engine on the move to engine economy and oil burning??
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05 December 2010, 20:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by piranha580
How did this thread go from engine on the move to engine economy and oil burning??
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Thread hijackers - don't you hate them?
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05 December 2010, 20:57
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#57
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I think a bored schoolboy saw mention of Etec in the thread
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05 December 2010, 20:59
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RIBnet supporter
Country: UK - England
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Make: Osprey Vipermax
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05 December 2010, 21:27
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I actually feel totally redundant in this thread
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05 December 2010, 21:29
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Quote:
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Leave him alone, he's been busy in "another place" abusing the cousins ![big grin](https://www.rib.net/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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Indeed, there is great sport to be had in winding up Americans.
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