First a beeping,stopped the engine,now totaly dead

gordyboy35 · 16 May 2010, 20:01

Hi Guys,
I've just bought a 5.2 rib with a 2000 Mariner 75hp & Quicksilver Throttle. We were on Loch Lomond trying her out,all was going fine until i heard a beeping from the remotes,we pulled into an island and thats when i noticed the beeping had stopped and i had lost the tilt,but the engine was still running.We returned to the slip at Balloch turned of ignition,tried to start the boat and got nothing ,no beep,nothing, Does any one have any ideas my problem?If it was'nt for Darryl Mayer from the Fife Powerboat Training Centre we would have been goofed , Cheers Guys and cant thank you enough. They managed to unscrew the hydraulic pressure relief screw under water and manually raised the engine.
Is there a return charge to the battery from these engines or do they just eventually go flat,sorry i sound such a plank but this is our first rib,boy oh boy do we all have the bug in this family.
Cheers Gordon.

willk · 16 May 2010, 20:19

There'll be a motor-head along in a minute to sort you out - but meantime, have you checked the battery terminal connections and the battery isolator switch? Is the battery charged or flat now? Also, are the engine fuses OK?

No-brainers, I accept, but they've caught me out...

PS, welcome to RIBnet!

Nos4r2 · 16 May 2010, 20:29

It should charge the battery-but it'll carry on running if the battery connections fail.It should also start on an emergency rope start round the flywheel. Check the terminals and isolator as WillK said.

willk · 16 May 2010, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Nos4r2

Check the terminals and isolator as WillK said.

Oi!

There's a small "w" in willk, just like there's a big "M" in Motorhead!

....knew you'd be along

Poly · 16 May 2010, 20:46

The two most common reasons for beeping are either a cooling water problem or an oil issue. I think you should be able to tell the diffenence between a continuous (beeeeeeeeep) and an intermitent (beep beep beep) sound. I'd be surprised if either of these alarms directly affected the electrics unless something really bad and smokey had happened? But I could be wrong.

Depending on how sophisticated your engine is it may simply have a temp sensor or actually a water flow sensor as well. Likewise the oil could be simply the tank level is low or that the pump is not delivering oil.

Bigmuz7 · 16 May 2010, 20:47

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Originally Posted by willk

Oi!

There's a small "w" in willk,

Aye .. nuff said

willk · 16 May 2010, 20:51

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Originally Posted by Bigmuz7

Aye .. nuff said

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PeterM · 16 May 2010, 21:05

How long between when you first started it to when the beeping stopped ? And then between that and you turning it off ?

I'm wondering if you have just totally drained the battery ?

I'd put money on dodgy electrics - either the battery giving up, the wiring not being 100% or its not charging for some reason ? (or a combination).....

Nos4r2 · 16 May 2010, 22:46

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Originally Posted by PeterM

How long between when you first started it to when the beeping stopped ? And then between that and you turning it off ?

I'm wondering if you have just totally drained the battery ?

I'd put money on dodgy electrics - either the battery giving up, the wiring not being 100% or its not charging for some reason ? (or a combination).....

Or the battery coming disconnected upping the voltage in the control box to a point where it messed with the sensors.

Not heard of it before, but bad connectors can replicate all sorts of things.

Nos4r2 · 16 May 2010, 22:49

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Originally Posted by Willk

Oi!

There's a small "w" in willk, just like there's a big "M" in Motorhead!

....knew you'd be along

It's a name, old bean. Names have a capital letter.

willk · 16 May 2010, 22:57

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Originally Posted by Nos4r2

It's a name, old bean. Names have a capital letter.

It's not a Name

It's a Username, see?

Bigmuz7 · 16 May 2010, 23:14

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Originally Posted by willk

It's not a Name

It's a Username, see?

Easy fella

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gordyboy35 · 17 May 2010, 08:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterM

How long between when you first started it to when the beeping stopped ? And then between that and you turning it off ?

I'm wondering if you have just totally drained the battery ?

I'd put money on dodgy electrics - either the battery giving up, the wiring not being 100% or its not charging for some reason ? (or a combination).....

Hi Peter, The continuous beeping came on about say ,...45 minutes after we started her,it was on for about 8 to 10 minutes,thats when it went of and i lost the trim but new not to turn the engine of as i thought the battery was dead. Why wouldnt the engine put a charge into the battery?. I do think that its the electrics ie the battery,although it was brand new.The engine ran superbly all morning.
Cheers Gordon.

gordyboy35 · 17 May 2010, 08:45

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Originally Posted by willk

There'll be a motor-head along in a minute to sort you out - but meantime, have you checked the battery terminal connections and the battery isolator switch? Is the battery charged or flat now? Also, are the engine fuses OK?

No-brainers, I accept, but they've caught me out...

PS, welcome to RIBnet!

Cheers WILLK.

chewy · 17 May 2010, 11:12

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Originally Posted by gordyboy35

Why wouldnt the engine put a charge into the battery?. .

All the things others have said, have you checked all the cable terminals, tested the battery isolator if fitted.
Have you tried starting the engine by using jump leads just to prove the engine runs and its an electrical fault?

Poly · 17 May 2010, 11:36

Does it make sense that you would get 8 mins of alarm from a dodgy connection and then nothing (presumably the power for the alarm comes from the engine rather than the battery)? I'd have thought it was more likely that there was an alarm condition (either real of false) and that after screetching for a while the master fuse blew.

9D280 · 17 May 2010, 17:04

Welcome to Ribnet!

Putting my "high level problem solver" hat on, I would have thought at 8 mins of a "danger" alarm would be enough to kill it proper if it was going to die. The fact the engine still ran means one of three things:

1) false alarm
2) warning alarm (e.g. low oil in tank)
3) your engine was on the brink of self destruction and got away with it by the skin of it's piston rings.

Now, knowing how dodgy electrics can play havoc with control level signals, and also knowing that pretty much all oldschool 2- strokes will happily keep going once fired up with or without battery (the ignition is powered form the engine, rather than the battery), then add it to your lack of PT / starter, my initial guess is also dodgy electrics / battery.

Do you know the history of the boat? A flat battery would do what you described, and if the battery was gubbed, no amount of charging would give you sufficient power to run the PT or the starter, no matter how long it had been charging for.