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02 August 2011, 15:19
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Country: UK - England
Town: Hamble
Boat name: Worth the wait
Make: Parker
Length: 7m +
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Gearbox goes bang
Further to my earlier post on Verado engines.
We were not so lucky this time. A year ago, the gearbox kept us going for 5 days until the new one arrived. This time it lasted from 1145 Sunday when the first sound of trouble was detected, to 1130 today!
I have never heard a gearbox fail before, but let me tell you its loud. So loud, that those right at the front of the boat even at 25 kts heard it! Fortunately with a twin set up and towards the end of our journey, we were able to safely return boat and passengers back to Poole. After a quick once over, we were able to start the "dead" engine and confirm that the power head was fine.
Just waiting on UPS and Barrus to deliver replacement, fingers crossed
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02 August 2011, 15:59
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Country: UK - Wales
Town: N Wales Chester
Boat name: Mr Smith
Make: Humber
Length: 6m +
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Sorry to hear that. Do you get any length of warranty with commercial use? How many hours required to kill the gearbox.. Each time?
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02 August 2011, 16:23
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Hamble
Boat name: Worth the wait
Make: Parker
Length: 7m +
Engine: Outboard
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Quick update
Ordered 1100 Monday, sent from States and with Barrus now! Should be in Poole by 1200 tomorrow.
Whilst I rather it had not gone at all, thats pretty good customer service
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02 August 2011, 18:25
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Southampton
Boat name: Hissing Sid
Make: Ross Smith Cobra
Length: 6m +
Engine: 200HP Optimax
MMSI: 235038046
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Sorry to hear about the gearbox steve. Will you be able to run by the end of the week?
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02 August 2011, 18:48
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Hamble
Boat name: Worth the wait
Make: Parker
Length: 7m +
Engine: Outboard
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Running our 1330, 1515 & 1700 tomorrow! So definately Friday
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02 August 2011, 20:17
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Country: UK - England
Town: Dorset & Hants
Boat name: Streaker/Orange
Make: Avon/Ribcraft
Length: 4m +
Engine: 50Yam/25 Mariner
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Originally Posted by 250kts
Running our 1330, 1515 & 1700 tomorrow! So definately Friday
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Good news after bad news .... especially good news for Friday - Red Arrows on the 5pm ..I'm looking forward to it The best seats in the house without question !
(I did think the marks in the housing where the internals tried to be externals were impressive in a bad but good way)
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03 August 2011, 08:06
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Southampton
Boat name: Hissing Sid
Make: Ross Smith Cobra
Length: 6m +
Engine: 200HP Optimax
MMSI: 235038046
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Running our 1330, 1515 & 1700 tomorrow! So definately Friday
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Excellent.
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03 August 2011, 21:50
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Hamble
Boat name: Worth the wait
Make: Parker
Length: 7m +
Engine: Outboard
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New unit arrived in Poole at 1200, back in water at 1300.
A big thank you to Luke at Yellow Penguin
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28 July 2012, 22:04
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Country: UK - England
Town: Hamble
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We have grumbles from same gearbox today!
363 days after the last one. If it is a problem, this will be our forth gearbox in 3 years. All on the same engine and all after just over 11 months.
If it were something we were doing, surely the other gearbox would suffer too ....
I wish Barrus would sort out their counter-rotating Verado units
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28 July 2012, 22:28
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Country: UK - England
Town: Southampton
Boat name: Hissing Sid
Make: Ross Smith Cobra
Length: 6m +
Engine: 200HP Optimax
MMSI: 235038046
Join Date: Jun 2002
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Sorry to hear that Steve. How many hours has the latest gearbox done?
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28 July 2012, 22:30
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Member
Country: UK - Channel Islands
Town: jersey
Boat name: Martini II
Make: Arctic 28/FC470
Length: 8m +
Engine: twin 225Opti/50hp 2t
MMSI: 235067688
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3,030
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All (most) CR gearboxes are the same Steve, next time it goes pop buy a right hander. Speak to some experts but I think you'll find the boat will drive just fine with 2x RH boxes
There's a Quinquiri passenger rib with twin etecs over here that went thru several LH boxes before sticking a RH on and never looked back.
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28 July 2012, 23:09
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Country: UK - England
Town: Dorset & Hants
Boat name: Streaker/Orange
Make: Avon/Ribcraft
Length: 4m +
Engine: 50Yam/25 Mariner
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 250kts
We have grumbles from same gearbox today!
363 days after the last one. If it is a problem, this will be our forth gearbox in 3 years. All on the same engine and all after just over 11 months.
If it were something we were doing, surely the other gearbox would suffer too ....
I wish Barrus would sort out their counter-rotating Verado units
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Hmmm, I did wonder yesterday ...., but put it down to not being used to the boat sound. I'm amazed Ricks not picked it up already....
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29 July 2012, 08:09
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Country: UK - England
Town: Poole
Boat name: Half Cut
Make: Cobra 8.6
Length: 8m +
Engine: Verado 275
MMSI: 235104619
Join Date: Jun 2011
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Can you switch to the new bigger HD cases. (might have done already) They seem to be fairly bullet proof but an expensive move. Maybe Barrus would consider helping you out. I heard on VOG that Merc are doing some good deals to swap the older ones out but you can't always take that sort of thing in face value.
Hope you get sorted quickly.
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31 July 2012, 22:30
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Country: UK - England
Town: Looe
Make: Delta
Length: 4m +
Engine: Mercury
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What Gearbox oil are you using?
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31 July 2012, 23:37
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Country: UK - England
Town: Dorset
Boat name: Seabadger 2
Make: Delta / Ribcraft 6.8
Length: 7m +
Engine: Various
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Second Martini's comment regarding 2 x RH rotation. I had a much smaller scale boat - 6m chinook with twin 40's both RH rotation, never any problem at all, handled fine.
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01 August 2012, 00:13
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Central Belt of Scotland
Boat name: Puddleduck III
Make: Bombard
Length: 5m +
Engine: 50 HP
Join Date: Mar 2009
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I believe the RNLI run all the boats with same Engine
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01 August 2012, 06:18
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Quote:
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What Gearbox oil are you using?
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Is there a reason for this question, or are you just making conversation?
jky
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01 August 2012, 06:43
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Country: UK - England
Town: yorkshire
Boat name: little vicky
Make: avon ex RNLI
Length: 3m +
Engine: tohatsu
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SPR
I believe the RNLI run all the boats with same Engine
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Cuts down on cost and amount of different spares needed to be carried on station or at divisional base making engine swapping /interchangeable simpler ,, also saves having to keep another set of spare props on the boat ( left & right handers).or confusion perhaps with a prop change at sea in difficult conditions .
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01 August 2012, 10:16
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: DF140a
MMSI: 235111389
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jyasaki
Is there a reason for this question, or are you just making conversation?
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Seems a pretty fair question. I can see where he's going with it
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01 August 2012, 10:24
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Country: France
Town: Côte d'Azur
Boat name: Beaver Patrol
Make: Avon Searider SR4
Length: 4m +
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I do a lot of work for one of the RIB charter companies on the Thames. They operate 5 RIBs all with twin engines (mainly 200 HO etecs). Gearboxes going is a monthly occurrence (latest one was this week); there's so much rubbish in the river, all it takes is running into a tree or pallet that you didn't see (quite hard in the murky water on a choppy day). That combined with an average of probably about 6 hours a day running means you are putting a lot more wear on the boxes than a normal leisure user would.
Might be worth doing a weekly check on the condition of the oil which would highlight any problems early on.
PS. I know of another charter operator in the Solent who had a box go on his 6 month old 300 Verado last year.
PPS. They have now changed to running just standard gearboxes (no counter rotating models) to make life easier; only have to have one type of spare. It makes very little difference to performance.
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