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15 September 2014, 16:10
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Hydraulic steering
Hi I would like some help to decide which hydraulic steering is perfect for me. I have a R.I.B powered with a Honda BF90D vtec the top speed is around 79km ph. I am not sure which steering to chose if it is the baystar or Seastar by teleflex.the baystar is up to 150hp but up to 60km and the baystar meets the speed but it is up to 300hp. can you help me decide which is the perfect one for me. Thanks Jason
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15 September 2014, 19:13
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Either would work; Seastar is made a little more heavy duty, I think. I've got Seastar on my 18' RIB, pushing a Yam F115.
One thing to look at is the lock to lock measurement you get with the different systems. Depends on both the helm and the cylinder you use for your motor.
jky
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16 September 2014, 18:06
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Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
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Personally I'd go for the Seastar.
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16 September 2014, 18:56
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I have asked the Teleflex which is the good one for me and they told me seastar HK6400A
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16 September 2014, 19:21
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Hydrive was recommended to me as the baystar quality has in past years.
I have a Hydrive admiral system and is silky smooth when I used it on my last outboard i could steer with one finger if I wanted it was that easy to steer
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17 September 2014, 05:52
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Teleflex is the parent company that makes both Seastar and Baystar.
There are other options; just kind of hard to find.
jky
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17 September 2014, 08:50
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I have hydrive on one and seastar on the other boat. The hydrive is better quality in my opinion.
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17 September 2014, 16:50
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I've had a Baystar system on a 90 4 stroke and it'll be fine for your application. These are rated to 150hp and the quoted max speed you read about will be for a 150hp unit which will produce much more torque than your 90.
Which ever one you choose you can mix and match your Steering helm and cylinders to give you the right ratio of turns lock to lock. My current Teleflex system is a Sea Star and turns 11/2 to Port and the same to Starboard (3 turns Lock to Lock). I believe the kit ones are more like 5 turns.
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17 September 2014, 19:11
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I have asked seastar and the replied with this
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18 September 2014, 12:43
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Anybody got any experience with these?
5 year warranty is tempting and Bill Higham have been around a while.......
I'm after a system for my 530 Pro which will get a nice shiny Honda BF100 in a month or two.
Phil M
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18 September 2014, 18:32
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5 year warranty is tempting and Bill Higham have been around a while............
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Disclaimer
"Past performance is not indicative of future results"
I'm sure that there are plenty of steering systems out there, possibly better/cheaper than Seastar/Baystar. BUT when you need support & spares, Teleflex have got it covered.
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18 September 2014, 19:30
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Town: Manchester
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Engine: 130 Etec
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Originally Posted by Phil M
Anybody got any experience with these?
5 year warranty is tempting and Bill Higham have been around a while.......
I'm after a system for my 530 Pro which will get a nice shiny Honda BF100 in a month or two.
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I fitted the baystar system on mine up to 150hp bought it of flee bay for not much more than bill Highams charging for his system easy to fit as well👍
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18 September 2014, 19:30
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I've had one baystar on a 20' 90hp RIB and it was fantastic, now I have the Seastar on the 7m with 250 and it's OK. When I first assembled it and bled it everything worked great except I forgot to put sealant on the helm side fittings so they leaked. I took it apart and sealed everything up and after bleeding it for days it chatters. I called tech support and the answer was, "maybe that's how yours is going to be". Needless to say not the answer I was looking for. I will pursue it more in the off season.
Jason
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18 September 2014, 21:43
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Town: Birmingham
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Got my bay star from mail speed marine. £465 posted
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19 September 2014, 20:39
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I haven't still decided which one to buy as after the accident of the steering cable brakeage I am afraid which one to chose
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19 September 2014, 20:49
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Any system will work hand over fist better than your old cable system but you have to remember that they need to be checked now and then to just spot any possible leaks and just general serviceability check.
I was going to go with a baystar/seastar system but was warned that recently the quality has somewhat diminished over the past year or so.
So I went with hydrive.
But I think the best bet for you is get a system that may have a dealer or parts backup close to you because with any mechanical system they are prone to failure and if it takes days,weeks possibly months to get the parts it's going to be very frustrating.
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20 September 2014, 14:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Solent Bombard
Any system will work hand over fist better than your old cable system but you have to remember that they need to be checked now and then to just spot any possible leaks and just general serviceability check.
I was going to go with a baystar/seastar system but was warned that recently the quality has somewhat diminished over the past year or so.
So I went with hydrive.
But I think the best bet for you is get a system that may have a dealer or parts backup close to you because with any mechanical system they are prone to failure and if it takes days,weeks possibly months to get the parts it's going to be very frustrating.
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thanks for your info I will take a look to the hydrive. my only problem is that for now after the accident of a new cable failed that had 10.6 hrs of use I am still afraid to use the rib and which system is more secure to trust
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20 September 2014, 14:57
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Originally Posted by Jason calleja
thanks for your info I will take a look to the hydrive. my only problem is that for now after the accident of a new cable failed that had 10.6 hrs of use I am still afraid to use the rib and which system is more secure to trust
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If it failed after 10 hours use either it was a fluke and just a premature failiure or it was installed incorrectly and failed due to that reason
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20 September 2014, 15:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Solent Bombard
If it failed after 10 hours use either it was a fluke and just a premature failiure or it was installed incorrectly and failed due to that reason
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It was installed correctly for sure either was cheap cable or it was not capable to be used on a 90hp or a defect cable. All I can say that it was very scary experience and fortunately my daughter ended overboar with no injuries
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17 October 2014, 08:03
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Hi. Has anyone heard of Mavi Mare hydraulic steering or had any experience with them? Thanks
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