Illegal two stroke?

Limecc · 13 October 2016, 00:10

Pardon my ignorance, can someone say what the law actually says about selling 2 stroke engines in the UK when the E-tecs are the cleanest things going? Surely these are not banned also? Is there some kind of emission standard or is it a blanket ban on two stroke technology?

beamishken · 13 October 2016, 00:16

It's an emissions standard if 2 strokes can make the standard then their fine all old 2 strokes still in service are fine too
Manufacturers can't sell none compliant engines for leisure use although they can be bought for commercial use

Pikey Dave · 13 October 2016, 06:55

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Originally Posted by Limecc

Pardon my ignorance, can someone say what the law actually says about selling 2 stroke engines in the UK when the E-tecs are the cleanest things going? Surely these are not banned also? Is there some kind of emission standard or is it a blanket ban on two stroke technology?

Your ignorance is forgiven😄 you could run an engine on bullsh1t as long as it meets the emissions standards. "2 strokes are banned" is the mantra spread by purveyors of 4 strokes. As you say, Etecs are one of the cleanest engines out there.

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whisper · 13 October 2016, 09:48

We just had a brand new Selva 6hp dropped off at the workshop for a customer to collect. It was a dry sump four stroke that uses 2 stroke oil... light as heck! I wonder if this will be the way all small outboards will go?

Pikey Dave · 13 October 2016, 09:51

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We just had a brand new Selva 6hp dropped off at the workshop for a customer to collect. It was a dry sump four stroke that uses 2 stroke oil... light as heck! I wonder if this will be the way all small outboards will go?

I have a Stihl brush cutter that has a 4 stroke dry sump engine that runs on 1:50 2stroke mix. Very reliable, easy to start, sounds awful🙄

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Poly · 13 October 2016, 09:58

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I have a Stihl brush cutter that has a 4 stroke dry sump engine that runs on 1:50 2stroke mix. Very reliable, easy to start, sounds awful🙄

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Do they burn the oil? does it still come with that special smell?

Maximus · 13 October 2016, 10:33

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Do they burn the oil? does it still come with that special smell?

Yep!...Gets the job done though

Pikey Dave · 13 October 2016, 10:36

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Do they burn the oil? does it still come with that special smell?

I don't notice the smell & there's isn't the cloud of blue smoke.

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Fred. · 13 October 2016, 10:51

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Originally Posted by beamishken

It's an emissions standard if 2 strokes can make the standard then their fine all old 2 strokes still in service are fine too
Manufacturers can't sell none compliant engines for leisure use although they can be bought for commercial use

So how come they can be used commercially ??
Surely leisure activity is little compared to commercial ??

Does this apply for all of Europe or just just UK

beamishken · 13 October 2016, 11:16

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So how come they can be used commercially ??
Surely leisure activity is little compared to commercial ??

Does this apply for all of Europe or just just UK

No idea how or why but you can still buy old school 2 strokes to be used commercially in the UK

Maximus · 13 October 2016, 12:36

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I don't notice the smell & there's isn't the cloud of blue smoke.

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I wonder why that is?

Poly · 13 October 2016, 18:59

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So how come they can be used commercially ??
Surely leisure activity is little compared to commercial ??

Does this apply for all of Europe or just just UK

The reason is that engines are regulated under the Recreational Craft Directive, which as the name implies only controls leisure craft (across all of Europe). Commercial craft are regulated by each individual country.

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I don't notice the smell & there's isn't the cloud of blue smoke.

I get a lovely nostalgic feeling from the smell.
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Pikey Dave · 13 October 2016, 19:16

Are you twisting my worms ?🤔

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willk · 13 October 2016, 19:29

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Are you twisting my worms ?🤔

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I think he's just misplaced his quotes...

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Poly · 13 October 2016, 19:30

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Are you twisting my worms ?🤔

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Not intentionally...

Limecc · 15 October 2016, 01:46

How is the cylinder lubed in an Etec seeing as there is no fuel as a transport medium? There is probably direct oil feed to the mains but what about the little end?

paintman · 16 October 2016, 19:58

Little ends on most engines - not just outboards - are by oil mist or oil splash.

jeffstevens763@g · 16 October 2016, 20:49

Reading the selva site their basically two stroke engines with auto lube through a special valve system running as a four stroke air cooled head water cooled leg and being able to be transported anyway up as an advantage over conventional four strokes although Suzuki can transport on three sides with their latest models.

spartacus · 16 October 2016, 21:18

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I don't notice the smell & there's isn't the cloud of blue smoke.
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You're obviously not running a Tohatsu!

Got me thinking, why are 2-strokes exempt from emission rules for for commercial use, and I should add RYA racing events too?