Is this setup possible?

matt0909 · 18 February 2015, 16:56

Hi All

Im trying to get my hands on a brand new 20hp four stroke, short shaft, tiller control with electric start and power trim. Had mixed feedback on whether it's possible to have this arrangement on any outboard, hoping someone can point me in the right direction

Cheers,

Matt

Peter_C · 18 February 2015, 17:39

I can not answer if you can get everything, but I am sure you can. Owning a 2 stroke 40hp with electric start, I do not really see a need for power trim on a tiller engine.

spartacus · 18 February 2015, 20:25

Mercury do one.
FourStroke 20 HP | Mercury Marine

And Yammie.

http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk/produc...e/f20-f15.aspx

Poly · 18 February 2015, 20:30

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Originally Posted by spartacus

Mercury do one.
FourStroke 20 HP | Mercury Marine

Power tilt but not power trim? Not sure if the distinction in the spec is intentional.

JamesF · 18 February 2015, 21:48

I've used a Honda 20 with power tilt, but as you suggest for the Mercury, it didn't have power trim, and it wasn't able to tilt against the thrust at much more than idle power. Power tilt is only to be available on the remote control BF20s anyway.

Similarly, Yamaha's site says power tilt is available for the F20b's EP variants, which are remote control, and says tiller variants are manual tilt.

spartacus · 18 February 2015, 22:45

The engines will still have trim settings that can be manually set to achieve optimum planing speed. I find it difficult to see any advantages of power trim on such a small engine.

Power tilt is useful though.

Poly · 18 February 2015, 23:04

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Originally Posted by spartacus

The engines will still have trim settings that can be manually set to achieve optimum planing speed. I find it difficult to see any advantages of power trim on such a small engine.

Power tilt is useful though.

There would be some convenience in adjusting the trim to suit the load and conditions. That said, having seen how often PTT causes people problems I'd take some convincing that the convenience is worth it.

Peter_C · 19 February 2015, 06:55

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Originally Posted by spartacus

I find it difficult to see any advantages of power trim on such a small engine.

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Originally Posted by spartacus

Power tilt is useful though.

Here in the USA "tilt" and "trim" are used interchangebly, as a homonym.

You can buy them separately, so it comes down to how much money you want to spend on a small outboard.

http://www.amazon.com/CMC-52100-PT-3...g=th-marine-20

steco1958 · 19 February 2015, 08:54

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Originally Posted by Peter_C

Here in the USA "tilt" and "trim" are used interchangebly, as a homonym.

You can buy them separately, so it comes down to how much money you want to spend on a small outboard.

Amazon.com: CMC 52100 PT-35 Electric Hydraulic Tilt And Trim: Home Improvement

Pedant time !!!!!!!!!! sorry I know your from the USA and like to make up your own English language !!

I believe you actually mean "Synonym"

lukewhiting · 19 February 2015, 09:02

I've seen a Mercury 55hp sea pro on the back of a thundercat with PTT, electric start and the tiller. Also somewhere on you tube I once saw a 150hp tiller control... That must've had all those too!

So should be possible

PeterM · 19 February 2015, 09:19

Hi matt hope you're all good?

I put a new 25 mariner with pt and elec start on my ribcraft last year.

What you want is quite possible but rare which means expensive!

The smaller engines don't have separate trim and tilt ranges...Just one continues tilt speed...

I was told is not designed as a trim function.. But can be used so.. And works fine for me...

Pics on here somwhere of the ribcraft 3.5 it went on. See you on the river soon

Pete

Peter_C · 19 February 2015, 16:02

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Originally Posted by steco1958

Pedant time !!!!!!!!!! sorry I know your from the USA and like to make up your own English language !!

And what do the English know about the "English" language?

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Originally Posted by steco1958

I believe you actually mean "Synonym"

Yes I did. My brain was a little fuzzy last night after a 13 hour work day. I am wrong though in that they do make motors with "Tilt and Trim", along with motors with just "Trim". Never imagined that before, and never seen just trim on outdrives which I am more familiar with than outboards. We have always just said "Trim it all the way up" for recovery", not "Trim the motor as far as it will go, then tilt it up".

Still don't see a need for it on a tiny boat motor, and it would just add a fair amount of weight, along with having to locate the pump and control units somewhere on a tiny boat. More to service too.

HughN · 19 February 2015, 21:46

Is there not also 'tilt assist', with a gas strut that takes off some of the effort?

Peter_C · 20 February 2015, 00:49

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Originally Posted by HughN

Is there not also 'tilt assist', with a gas strut that takes off some of the effort?

Yes, that is what I have. You pull a lever to release it, and the gas strut does help. It must be in neutral to trim it up, but I can trim it down while underway. When trimmed all the way up, or is that tilted? The outboard slowly settles down to the lowest position.

willk · 20 February 2015, 01:28

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Originally Posted by steco1958

Pedant time !!!!!!!!!! sorry I know your from the USA and like to make up your own English language !!

I believe you actually mean "Synonym"

Oh for God's sake! How about we leave the Yanks alone in case they decide to show you the difference between Carpet Biting and Carpet Bombing

Let's investigate the meaning of "Trimming" in a little more depth...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2gIdMRwfuM

Crusher · 20 February 2015, 04:39

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Originally Posted by willk

Oh for God's sake! How about we leave the Yanks alone in case they decide to show you the difference between Carpet Biting and Carpet Bombing

Let's investigate the meaning of "Trimming" in a little more depth...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2gIdMRwfuM

Brilliant!!

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chris.moody · 20 February 2015, 08:25

Nearly spat my cup of tea out when we got to the choke bit

Black · 20 February 2015, 10:36

Classic!

matt0909 · 20 February 2015, 13:58

Hi All,

Thanks for a lot of valid and helpful points, it's power tilt I will need, trim doesn't affect me at all. Does make me laugh how I've spoken to a multitude of dealers and they've all been too unsure to quote me or just said it's impossible, yet in 48 hours I've received all the info I needed.

Cheers again

Matt

matt0909 · 20 February 2015, 14:01

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Originally Posted by PeterM

Hi matt hope you're all good?

I put a new 25 mariner with pt and elec start on my ribcraft last year.

What you want is quite possible but rare which means expensive!

The smaller engines don't have separate trim and tilt ranges...Just one continues tilt speed...

I was told is not designed as a trim function.. But can be used so.. And works fine for me...

Pics on here somwhere of the ribcraft 3.5 it went on. See you on the river soon

Pete

Hi Pete,

It's been a while, hopefully you're well, and glad to hear you're still into the boating.

Is it expensive but in this case it's a necessity, so hopefully won't break the bank. Was it RIBs Marine you went through to get yours?

All the best

Matt