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27 August 2020, 19:23
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Country: UK - England
Town: dawlish
Make: avon searider/bom380
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mariner 25hp broke cavitation plate
split the gearbox off to do impeller and broke the cavitatiion plate phot0 attached
is there any repair kit, add on or diy repair that can be done on this ?
i have the other piece as well
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27 August 2020, 20:53
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Aberdeenshire
Boat name: Sula
Make: Ribcraft 4.8m
Length: 4m +
Engine: Tohatsu 70hp + aux
MMSI: 235087213
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What did you hit it with a lump hammer?
Always a rubber mallet.
Anyway - yes it can be repaired, but not DIY. Tig weld will do it. Will need the paint from the mating surfaces removed. Apparently needs a gap so the weld draws the surface edges together for a solid repair. File down, prime and paint.
Seems to be far enough away from the gearbox seals not to cause an issue.
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27 August 2020, 21:29
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Country: UK - England
Town: Retford
Boat name: Spy-sea-one
Make: Excel 435
Length: 4m +
Engine: Suzuki Outboard/25/4
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Ive seen on YouTube an aliminium rod that's melted with a gas torch (plumbers type) to form a weld sorry i have no more details
Found it low temp too
https://www.welduk.com/product/alumi...yweld-10-rods/
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27 August 2020, 22:21
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Country: UK - England
Town: dawlish
Make: avon searider/bom380
Length: 4m +
Engine: merc 50 2 stroke
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Got my plumbers torch and done copper for years only worry is as mentioned above would seals or gearbox be damaged withe the heat generated , how would it affect the boat to use it as is ?
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27 August 2020, 22:42
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Country: UK - England
Town: Retford
Boat name: Spy-sea-one
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dino89
Got my plumbers torch and done copper for years only worry is as mentioned above would seals or gearbox be damaged withe the heat generated , how would it affect the boat to use it as is ?
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As Spartacus has said your a long way from the gear box 360 degrees isn't going to travel down the leg and heat up gear oil to such a temp as to affect the seals plus the plate is thin and will heat up quickly. Have a look on you tube some good footage
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27 August 2020, 23:03
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Country: UK - England
Town: Romford Essex UK
Boat name: Sea Fury
Make: Bit of everything
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mariner 90 & 6
MMSI: 232026082
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I have a similar problem and getting a new skeg welded to the gearbox. we hit a something at Tilbury last weekend.
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27 August 2020, 23:21
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Country: UK - England
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Thanks Jeff will have a look and think that's the way I will go ,
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27 August 2020, 23:46
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rods ordered , you tube watched .......will let you know how it goes
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28 August 2020, 00:22
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Country: Ireland
Town: Skerries
Make: Osprey 5.15
Length: 5m +
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Find someone who can weld aluminum and it’s a handy fix iv repaired a few myself over the years ... it’s a easy fix if you know what your at
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28 August 2020, 06:51
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Country: UK - England
Town: Sticks, N.Yorks
Boat name: Tamanco
Make: Honwave 3.5AE
Length: 3m +
Engine: Tohatsu Outboard
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Look for someone who's skilled welding aluminium . I have a firm local to me who repair aluminium cylinder heads . Ordered a bit of plate the correct thickness from ebay, shaped it to fit. They welded it for £10 and I got some etching primer and some matching (expensive) marine paint. Job done.
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28 August 2020, 09:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dino89
rods ordered , you tube watched .......will let you know how it goes
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Practice on scrap first. My experience on some 50mm 2mm Ali tube was it's very easy to melt the tube and not so easy to melt the rods.
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28 August 2020, 09:56
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Country: UK - England
Town: Leicester
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Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g
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There's a few of this type of thing around.
Not quite as easy as they make it look.
The tig option would be the better bet.
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28 August 2020, 10:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paintman
There's a few of this type of thing around.
Not quite as easy as they make it look.
The tig option would be the better bet.
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If you can get someone to do it for a tenner, without doubt.
If it's going to cost serious £££ then I'd be tempted to look at epoxy before risking melting my motor!
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28 August 2020, 12:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paintman
There's a few of this type of thing around.
Not quite as easy as they make it look.
The tig option would be the better bet.
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for a tenner for sure, there is a metal repair putty i think 3 m make it, or fit a dolphin
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28 August 2020, 12:53
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Country: UK - England
Town: Farnborough
Boat name: Narcissus
Make: Cobra
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I wouldn't be going in with a gas torch there TBH. It's hard to be precise enough whilst also getting enough heat in and it'd be easy to ruin the upper seals on the gearbox/waterpump area.
TIG would be best. I had a similar repair done on my Bravo drive once and the job was perfect, plus with only localised heat, we didn't need to dismantle the drive.
Otherwise, I also used JB weld once on an outboard - it's a non structural piece there - and it held up just fine.
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28 August 2020, 15:04
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got rods on order coming but messsed about with a coke can and it melted very easily !! ,
looking around tinternet i reckon jb weld would do the job any one else used this and add fins as suggested above , did look at this youtube and jb weld is quiet impressive
edit: just see you suggested jb weld Matt what did you use it on ? did it last as a perm fix ?
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29 August 2020, 11:50
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I've used JB Weld on quite a few things & found it very good, but never tried it in an underwater application.
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29 August 2020, 12:50
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It's fine. I had some Keikhafer trim tabs once that had corroded and cracked the hinge casting. I JB Welded (And tapped and drilled too) the hinges back together and it all worked very well.
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29 August 2020, 22:36
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Country: UK - England
Town: dawlish
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went with the safest option today and used jb weld , thanks for all the responses will feeedback how it goes
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