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23 April 2015, 09:37
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Country: Other
Town: Setúbal
Boat name: Argonaut I
Make: Valiant 520
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mariner 2st 40HP
Join Date: Apr 2015
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Mariner 2st mixture tune
Hi to all,
I just recently bought my 1st boat, equipped with a 1999 3 cylinder Mariner 2st 40HP. The motor runs nice & smooth, impeller is ok with nice water flow, the electric start also works fine. Autolub unit also working ok and already tuned up according to the service manual.
Just one problem, the consumption is way exaggerated! the motor is an alcoholic! something like 17L hour not at full throttle. I don't have a RPM gauge so I don't really know the rotations. The boat glides good and fast, 2 person crew, no extra loads... there is nothing that justifies such a consumption!
Another observation is that the spark plugs get all black really easy! the mixture is extremely rich! I guess?
In the manual I already found how where to tune the idle point (idle screw)... easy, but how do I tune the fuel intake when throttling up? and get a less rich mixture.
Regards to all.
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23 April 2015, 09:53
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Leeds
Make: Valiant 450
Length: 4m +
Engine: Yamaha 55HP
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 448
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A 40hp at full throttle as a rule of thumb will burn 4 Gallons or 18 Litres per hour, so your almost there. Fiddling with the air mixture screws won't affect fuel consumption much, so I would be looking at resetting the carb floats and for any potential fuel pump problems. Also get ignition timing checked. It could be over oiled if premix or problems with autolube.
Begin with the easy things.
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23 April 2015, 10:02
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Member
Country: Other
Town: Setúbal
Boat name: Argonaut I
Make: Valiant 520
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mariner 2st 40HP
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 13
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I got to get myself a gas station!
I'll check the carbs thou... floats etc..
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23 April 2015, 10:04
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Manchester
Boat name: Serenity,PuddleHound
Make: Avon R310,Prowave380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Johnson10,Mariner10
Join Date: Oct 2014
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Originally Posted by RageGlow
Something like 17L hour not at full throttle.
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Welcome to boating!
I've heard it likened to showering in bank notes quite a few times...
Even a new 4 stroke 40HP you're looking at 14 LPH WOT.
As a rough guide I use www.boat-fuel-economy.com and then take with a handful of salt. I then feel thankful that I've only got a 9.9 which burns < 4 LPH WOT
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23 April 2015, 10:20
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Member
Country: Other
Town: Setúbal
Boat name: Argonaut I
Make: Valiant 520
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mariner 2st 40HP
Join Date: Apr 2015
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23 April 2015, 10:28
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Manchester
Boat name: Serenity,PuddleHound
Make: Avon R310,Prowave380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Johnson10,Mariner10
Join Date: Oct 2014
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While I'd love the comfort of a RIB I just can't afford the fuel! so I enjoy SIBing around instead.
Not quite the same style of boating but still fun and doesn't break the bank either!
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23 April 2015, 10:48
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Sussex
Boat name: Bombard
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mercury Mariner 15hp
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,499
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Get a tinytach type rpm gauge - only £10 on eBay to check how the engine is doing but regardless if you've just bought first thing to do is get it serviced or DIY it.
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23 April 2015, 11:12
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Manchester
Boat name: Serenity,PuddleHound
Make: Avon R310,Prowave380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Johnson10,Mariner10
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Dammit, I've just fitted an engine hour timer that doesn't have the tach Might have to get one of those too!
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23 April 2015, 15:34
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Member
Country: Other
Town: Setúbal
Boat name: Argonaut I
Make: Valiant 520
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mariner 2st 40HP
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 13
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Do all motor have connections for hour/rpm?
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23 April 2015, 16:13
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Country: UK - England
Town: Manchester
Boat name: Serenity,PuddleHound
Make: Avon R310,Prowave380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Johnson10,Mariner10
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the tiny tach, and my cheaper engine timer that doesn't show rpm, both just have a fly lead that wrap around a HT lead. The coil of wire is energised when the spark plug is fired, and as you can't spark the same plug more than once per rpm, if you count the sparks, you can work out the current RPM
Quick and very very easy mod that you can do in less than 3 minutes with 3 cable ties.
So yes, all motors with spark plugs have a connection for the tiny-tach.
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23 April 2015, 16:27
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Country: UK - England
Town: bridport
Length: 6m +
Engine: 150 opti
Join Date: Feb 2015
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check out the fuel pump ! I have seen a few were they split and send fuel strait though the pulser hose in to the bottom cylinder! as for mixture screw set that at 1 1/2 turns out
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23 April 2015, 16:30
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Manchester
Boat name: Serenity,PuddleHound
Make: Avon R310,Prowave380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Johnson10,Mariner10
Join Date: Oct 2014
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Here's a cheaper import version of the tiny-tach in case anyone wants one
Hour Meter Tach Tachometer Boat Outboard Mercury Yamaha | eBay
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23 April 2015, 18:05
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Sussex
Boat name: Bombard
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mercury Mariner 15hp
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,499
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blootac
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Yep, that's the one I've got - you don't need it on all the time really, just for set-up/checking prop/WOT etc.
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