Mariner 60HP 2 Stroke ELPTO Smokes huge on Initial Start

smallribber · 31 March 2019, 14:57

I just decided the season in the UK is nearly here so went out to get my 4.5 m rib ready. I started the 60hp mariner 2 stroke and the amount of smoke was incredible and there was clearly blue 2 stroke oil coming out of the exhaust. Below is a video about 30 seconds after start up and then one later after it had run for about 60 - 80 seconds. Also some pics of the oil on the ground.

It seems to have cleared now and no oil is coming out and also far far less smoke but it does smoke somewhat when I throttle it up.

Do people think this was just an initial start up issue after 6 months of being laid up or do you think I may have an issue with the oil injection pump or fuel pump

Pics and video below

Smokey after about 30 - 40 seconds from start up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb3P0AGkchQ

After running for about 80 seconds very little smoke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1U87rYxftc

Pics of the oil in the exhaust and on the ground

smallribber · 31 March 2019, 15:41

This is it running in a tub...…. It still smokes quite a lot if I pull up the fast runner but It did that last year. I am wondering now if it is OK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_qCWKjiCQY

smallribber · 31 March 2019, 15:48

Found this on You Tube seems to smoke as much as mine. Perhaps it was just an initial start up thing. I think I need to get it out on the water for a proper test. It is quite hard in a tank or on muffs especially with a 2 stroke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsw98Xg52YY

jeffstevens763@g · 31 March 2019, 17:48

Looks normal to me I had an evinrude was the same whilst cold soon cleared when it had run a bit and up to working temp

smallribber · 31 March 2019, 20:02

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Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g

Looks normal to me I had an evinrude was the same whilst cold soon cleared when it had run a bit and up to working temp

Yes but all that oil that came out initially is still concerning me

jeffstevens763@g · 31 March 2019, 20:55

Well your getting oil so it's not going to sezee up you should get alarms if you have a problem I know some take the pump out and go premix. Personally I would run it may be refurb the oil pump

smallribber · 31 March 2019, 21:08

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Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g

Well your getting oil so it's not going to sezee up you should get alarms if you have a problem I know some take the pump out and go premix. Personally I would run it may be refurb the oil pump

I have bought a second hand fuel and oil pump from ebay so have one in hand. I think I need to give it a proper test on the water first. As you say more oil is better than not enough

spartacus · 31 March 2019, 22:05

It's normal. The old fuel was probably in the carb fuel bowls. Get it out on a run and open her up. New fuel and enjoy the season.

smallribber · 01 April 2019, 07:42

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Originally Posted by spartacus

It's normal. The old fuel was probably in the carb fuel bowls. Get it out on a run and open her up. New fuel and enjoy the season.

Many thanks for that. I plan to do so as soon as possible

jeffstevens763@g · 01 April 2019, 09:28

BP have a look on danger marine re oil pump some good info on his channel. how was it stored is this a new to you or you had it a bit? as spartacus has said run it and monitor the oil

Limecc · 01 April 2019, 09:54

Marine two stroke pumps must be similar to what are used on motorcycles. On my FS1E and RG500 the oil pump output can be calibrated using the procedure set out in the service manual. On the Fizzy this is done by adjusting shims which must vary the pump stroke, I forget about the Suzy.

You could also switch brands, the e-tec oil must be brilliant. Maybe there's a difference with marine two stroke which might be a different spec because the engines will run cooler than with an air cooled engine?

Poly · 01 April 2019, 10:15

Did you winterise it?

smallribber · 01 April 2019, 19:26

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Originally Posted by Poly

Did you winterise it?

If you mean did I run the Carbs dry …. No I didn't

Ferryman · 01 April 2019, 20:21

There's never any harm in some fogging oil and wd 40 before a long winter.
I've got an etec - they do the fogging for you, it's just good practise if you're not going to use the engine for 6 months.

willk · 01 April 2019, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Bigplumbs

If you mean did I run the Carbs dry …. No I didn't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOy9PzspGvo

smallribber · 02 April 2019, 07:17

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Originally Posted by willk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOy9PzspGvo

I have done all of those things in the past and quite frankly none are necessary on a 2 stroke. None would in my view account for the issue I had

Poly · 02 April 2019, 12:50

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Originally Posted by Bigplumbs

I have done all of those things in the past and quite frankly none are necessary on a 2 stroke.

Bizarrely every manufacturer disagrees with you (Barrus agree so much they have a special function on the Etec to oil the cylinders for you!). Anyone reading the thread will now know to avoid engines you've used - you don't flush the cooling circuit, don't protect the cylinders from condensation/corrosion, stabilise the fuel* nor change the gear box oil. The first three are a 15 minute job.

*my preference would be to drain the fuel and use fresh - but since you left the carbs full, I guess your preference is just to neglect it.

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None would in my view account for the issue I had

A large amount of smoke and excess oil is common / to be expected if you had put a tea spoon of oil in each cylinder as usually recommended, and disappears after a while.

smallribber · 02 April 2019, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Poly

Bizarrely every manufacturer disagrees with you (Barrus agree so much they have a special function on the Etec to oil the cylinders for you!). Anyone reading the thread will now know to avoid engines you've used - you don't flush the cooling circuit, don't protect the cylinders from condensation/corrosion, stabilise the fuel* nor change the gear box oil. The first three are a 15 minute job.

*my preference would be to drain the fuel and use fresh - but since you left the carbs full, I guess your preference is just to neglect it.

A large amount of smoke and excess oil is common / to be expected if you had put a tea spoon of oil in each cylinder as usually recommended, and disappears after a while.

Poly.... How many engines do you have. I have 10 marine to look after., 6 car, 40 + model aircraft, 3 motorbikes and some 8 other engines. I am afraid I don't have time for pointless work

As for people avoiding my engines I could not care less as I hardly ever sell anything. I tend to Buy not sell

As far as the other points you raise you are in error.

I always flush my engines in fresh water after use
I put Stabil in the fuel
I Change the Gearbox oil as necessary
I Change the Impellers as necessary
I change the Spark Plugs as necessary

If you just have one small engine to attend to then treating it with kid gloves is fine. I am certain I have far more experience of this sort of thing than you.

I have received satisfactory answers from the experienced and non theory wallers and I am now very happy. I also have replacement parts on their way to fit (which I will do myself) should the conclusion I have reached be incorrect

Carry on posting however as I am sure you will

smallribber · 02 April 2019, 13:22

Poly

Oh and I forgot to add to the list 12 or more Gas Turbine Jet Engines...… Know anything about those do you !

Pikey Dave · 02 April 2019, 13:46

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Originally Posted by Bigplumbs

I have received satisfactory answers from the experienced.....

What answers have you had, apart from the basic common sense stuff that an expert such as yourself would have known anyway? I’m genuinely surprised that there’s anyone with more experience & expertise than yourself. In fact I’m shocked that you needed to ask about such a trifling matter in the first place.