New skool v.s old skool

allegria · 24 January 2006, 14:38

Evinrude E-tec 150hp v.s Yamha F150 4 stroke.
- nearly the same cc but the Evinrude is much lighter. Therefore better acceleration and top speed.
- Yamaha is tried and tested and has been successful
- Evinrude is less talked up, is this for a reason?
- the Evinrude is cheaper
- the Evinrude's a 2 stroke ( as advanced as it is) and i'd rather have a 4.
- which one would you choose??

Ribshop · 24 January 2006, 14:58

The E-Tec is an exceptional engine. Very basic workings so not a lot to go wrong. They are excellent!!! And would be my choice

codprawn · 24 January 2006, 15:15

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Originally Posted by Ribshop

The E-Tec is an exceptional engine. Very basic workings so not a lot to go wrong. They are excellent!!! And would be my choice

And mine - as recent tests have shown there isn't much between any of the engines in fuel usage so may as well go for the lightest most powerful one!!!

Phil Davies · 24 January 2006, 17:21

I would go with the Evinrude E-Tec, if only for the styling, sound and opportunity to avoid a marine dealer for 3 years. And they do paint them in a rather fetching shade of blue, don't you think? I suppose you could argue a sound case for Yamaha if you're concerned about ultimate long term reliability, parts back-up, proximity of dealer etc. Personally I'd like to see Yamaha attempt to introduce a bit of styling to their outboards and the inconsequential John Major paint job on the 4-strokes doesn't do them any favours as far as I'm concerned.

Rogue Wave · 24 January 2006, 17:31

interestingly enough Phil I'd kinda agree with you about looks but the older a yammie gets the better it looks in comparison to all the competition. It's a lot easier to keep a yammie looking pristine than it is a Merc/mariner or example

does the ETEC engine really not have to see a dealer for three years not even too have the gearbox oil changed?

codprawn · 24 January 2006, 17:56

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Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

interestingly enough Phil I'd kinda agree with you about looks but the older a yammie gets the better it looks in comparison to all the competition. It's a lot easier to keep a yammie looking pristine than it is a Merc/mariner or example

does the ETEC engine really not have to see a dealer for three years not even too have the gearbox oil changed?

How often does a car need gearbox/diff oil changing these days??? Same diff(groan)!!!

Phil Davies · 24 January 2006, 17:56

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Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

does the ETEC engine really not have to see a dealer for three years not even too have the gearbox oil changed?

So they say in their advertising. Apparently they're also self-winterising, whatever that means.

And yes, a clapped out Merc certainly takes the grunge biscuit.

Jono · 24 January 2006, 17:58

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Originally Posted by codprawn

How often does a car need gearbox/diff oil changing these days??? Same diff(groan)!!!

What does it say in your LR manual...? I know what is says in my Leyland Daf service Schedule...Not very often if used on the road...every 5 minutes if you dunk the bugger in water.... or some such.....

codprawn · 24 January 2006, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Jono

What does it say in your LR manual...? I know what is says in my Leyland Daf service Schedule...Not very often if used on the road...every 5 minutes if you dunk the bugger in water.... or some such.....

Depends how good the seals are!!!

I think outboards are better designed for water than road vehicles???

Jono · 24 January 2006, 18:32

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Depends how good the seals are!!!

I think outboards are better designed for water than road vehicles???

My LD is designed for "off road" use...and at a quoted price of £258 a seal.. they better be feckin' good......

Roy Smith · 24 January 2006, 19:38

I know i have Yamaphoba , but the e-tecs are not mind blowing quicker than any of the others. that engine test report proved that. also the servicing (I think) is based on 100 hrs ayear so the 3 year thing is great if you dont do big hours.What worrys me is the deprecation and the fact there is no track record, is fuel plus oil comsumption that much better,also cost as you have the extra cost of 2 stroke oil I would feel much more at ease if i could see more of the charter/rental companys using them. if any one can convince me that a E-tec is as good to own over 5/7 years then i will recormend it to my brother in law who wants to be a beliver as he needs a engine quick.

Mark Halliday · 24 January 2006, 20:10

Oil consumption with ETEC is something I would like to know about. As it is not mixed with the fuel and is only squirted onto the bits that need lubricating, I guess it should be a lot less than old style 2 strokes, once run in.

So come on all you ETEC owners (Brambles, Jackeens, and Robin [exETEC]), how much do you use? Is it around the amount you would swill out of a 4 stroke sump each year?

The Garfish · 25 January 2006, 11:23

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Originally Posted by Phil Davies

Apparently they're also self-winterising, whatever that means.

dis meens dat de ECUW sensis wen de wintir aprochis. de enjin detachis ittsellf fromm de bote fils ittsellf wiv antefreez, foggs ittsellf wiv oyl, greeses itts nippuls an den gows an hydes ittsellf unnder a blankit inn de garij.

gArf

nugent · 25 January 2006, 11:32

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Originally Posted by The Garfish

dis meens dat de ECUW sensis wen de wintir aprochis. de enjin detachis ittsellf fromm de bote fils ittsellf wiv antefreez, foggs ittsellf wiv oyl, greeses itts nippuls an den gows an hydes ittsellf unnder a blankit inn de garij.

gArf

garf you crack me up

makes my sneak log ons whilst at work all the more interesting,,

Brambles · 25 January 2006, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Mark Halliday

Oil consumption with ETEC is something I would like to know about. As it is not mixed with the fuel and is only squirted onto the bits that need lubricating, I guess it should be a lot less than old style 2 strokes, once run in.

So come on all you ETEC owners (Brambles, Jackeens, and Robin [exETEC]), how much do you use? Is it around the amount you would swill out of a 4 stroke sump each year?

Hi Mark,

Whilst we know how much oil we have used to date it includes the "over oiling" hours in the early days, so the data won't be of any real use.

Suffice it to say it has ranged from frightening to not very much at all. Don't suppose that helps really does it?

Cheers.

Ian

Mark Halliday · 26 January 2006, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Brambles

Don't suppose that helps really does it?

Errr....................No.

Thanks all the same Ian.
Perhaps when you get some idea you could let us all know.

Seaharrier · 26 January 2006, 14:01

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Originally Posted by Mark Halliday

Oil consumption with ETEC is something I would like to know about. As it is not mixed with the fuel and is only squirted onto the bits that need lubricating, I guess it should be a lot less than old style 2 strokes, once run in.

So come on all you ETEC owners (Brambles, Jackeens, and Robin [exETEC]), how much do you use? Is it around the amount you would swill out of a 4 stroke sump each year?

Hello Mark,

We have an ETEC 250HP and are using the XD50 oil. We have put 130 hours on our engine and average oil use is 1l of oil for 60 l of fuel.

With the engine block being replaced and having to run the engine back in, I’m hesitating to use de XD 100 oil. From what I have heard the ratio would be between 1:100 and 1:120 depending on your average speed.

Is there someone using the XD 100 oil that can confirm this?

Paul

Seaharrier · 26 January 2006, 14:06

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Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

interestingly enough Phil I'd kinda agree with you about looks but the older a yammie gets the better it looks in comparison to all the competition. It's a lot easier to keep a yammie looking pristine than it is a Merc/mariner or example

does the ETEC engine really not have to see a dealer for three years not even too have the gearbox oil changed?

Our dealer replaced the gearbox oil after 20 hours. From that on it should be more or less every 300 hours.

Depending on your cruising speed you should replace the spark-plugs every 100 to 150 hours. We had to replace them at 120hours (it’s getting hard to fire up the engine after a while).

Paul

Roy Smith · 26 January 2006, 18:20

So if approx 1lt oil to 60 lts of fuel how much is the oil (cost) and would it follow that if you did 8 hours flat out the engine would burn approx 60 lts an hours give or take a bit, so eight hours = 8 lts of oil aganst the four stroke having the sump oil replaced every 100 hours, Have i got that right.

Seaharrier · 27 January 2006, 15:32

Roy,

WOT on the 250 HP is 80l/hour. And yes your calculation is correct (8 hours WOT would burn around 10 l of oil… but at WOT I’m doing a little more than 50kn so that gives me 10 l for 400 nm).

But my cursing speed is around 30kn. At that speed I use 35l/h. so after 8 hours of cruising at 30kn I will have burned 4.5 l of oil but I’ll also have done 240 NM…

If you are using XD 100 oil, it would mean you used about 2.5 l of oil for 8 hours cruising …

Paul