One or two motors...?

Rem · 31 January 2012, 21:28

I have purchased a 6.7m rib and will be using it inland mostly but will go to the coast every now and again. Can't make up my mind on one motor with a small emergency motor, or two motors. Any advice on this subject.

mick · 31 January 2012, 21:36

Mine has 2 but not everyone likes 2 there are different thoughts if you have 2 you should have 2 fuel tanks etc
Then if you just av 1 and aux get you home engine that might not start when you need it.
I didn't choose to av 2 that's the way it came second hand but I am happy with it

mister p · 31 January 2012, 21:37

Two 90hp emergency engines will work.

willk · 31 January 2012, 21:42

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Originally Posted by discomick

I didn't choose to av 2 that's the way it came second hand but I am happy with it

DM - I meant to tell you. Depending on how you're loaded and propped, that rig should do about 22-24kts on one wing, if you raise the dead stick out of the water.

OP - For inland use and occasional coastal use in not-too-remote areas, I'd go with an auxiliary - just be sure to test it before you go to sea.

Rem · 31 January 2012, 22:24

What size aux would you suggest if I went with this option?

willk · 31 January 2012, 23:11

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Originally Posted by Rem

What size aux would you suggest if I went with this option?

Well, if the RIB is an open boat and not too heavily loaded, then somewhere from 6hp up to 10hp, depending on your budget and mounting options. 10hp is running into 35kg+ for a four stroke, as low as 27kg for a 2 stroke. Personally I'd look at a nice secondhand 6HP four stroke. It will probably give you most bang for your buck and be in the lighter range of about 25-28kg. The tank of gas will go further and you can run it off your main with the right kit (assuming your main is 4 stroke). Your stored gas can be used up easily that way. It should move you along at around 5kts?

Guys, 5-6 knots? Less?

Downhilldai · 31 January 2012, 23:26

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Originally Posted by willk

Guys, 5-6 knots?

biffer · 01 February 2012, 07:56

Considering most engines die through fuel or electrics I'd go for one
Unless you're going to have two of everything there's no point of two and all that kit would seem a waste on something that will be mostly governed by inland speed restrictions. With a few exceptions

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9D280 · 01 February 2012, 09:37

here we go again.....

Rem, Firstly, welcome to ribnet.

You have opened with one of the more controversial discussions on this forum, so expect some strong opinions!

There is no generic answer...... Do a search for "twins", there is a good afternoon's reading out there. Also be aware that comments relevant to umpteen hundred HP rigs are not necessarily valid at the "100-ish total" ballpark.

A high level summary:-
beware the generic "nn% useable HP" figure..... with smaller set-ups the top speed is less and the bits being dragged through the water are usually smaller. (therefore the absolute drag for the rig is substantially less proportionally to the Hp available to overcome it)

The powerhead may be shared with another HP, and the leg / gearbox may be shared with 5 or 6 other engine sizes! e.g. my old Yam 55 I got spares for the gearbox end off a 90! - So how overkill was the gearbox on the 55? - to put it in perspective, the 'box & leg on my 60 is about the same cross section as the bottom end on my Suz DT25 So when I swapped engines I got more gee gees & less drag.....

If you are looking at 60 or 70 HP, most are still emergency pull start-able, and will likely run without the aid of a battery once going. (beware some of the new machines tho' -some (Optis?) need a healthy battery or it's no go.

Weight wise you have to look at individual combinations (I have posted examples in the past) - and look at different manufacturers too. Also as said above, don't forgret to add the deadweight of the aux.

What may be the deciding factor if your hull is secondhand tho' is the inevitable cut - out for a single. I nearly went for twin 30s when the 55 died, , but the woodwork involved to fill the transom cut was going to be too much hassle so I am still running single + aux.

Search the forums, and have a read with an open mind. One proverbial man' s meat & the other's poison is a phrase that springs to mind here!

Pikey Dave · 01 February 2012, 19:23

I'd go for 1 & an Aux, & that's coming from a bloke with 2.

Rem · 02 February 2012, 20:37

Thanks guys, some valuable input. Think I'm going with one and an aux!

Maximus · 03 February 2012, 10:24

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Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

I'd go for 1 & an Aux, & that's coming from a bloke with 2.

Now,that IS Qualified advice! Experiance is Key.Maybe these Forums DO work

...Now and then

clydeoutboards · 03 February 2012, 10:38

Hi

as an outboard seller I would still only go with 1 + aux. I would also make the point that the aux is there to get you back to saftey and nothing more (fishermen are often using them trawling) and should be in good nick i.e. dont buy rubbish as the price difference on a small naf engine and a good one that will save your life is not a lot.

small aux is also cheaper to buy/ service etc.

Oh and Tohatsu are the same as mariner/ mercury at this end of the market so if price is a major factor they are well worth a look. if you have a bit more to spend Honda/ Yamaha ( I am 100 % biased towards the honda as we sell them) with the honda having 6 years warranty.

Dave

Pikey Dave · 03 February 2012, 10:48

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Originally Posted by Maximus

Now,that IS Qualified advice! Experiance is Key.Maybe these Forums DO work

...Now and then

If money was no object i'd still go for twins anyday, but given the OPs likely cruising areas & requirements, twins would be ott. As already said looooads of times, unless you set up twins with completely segregated fuel, electrics etc, they are pointless imho. The main reason we have a twin setup was my missus made me do it, bless her

9D280 · 03 February 2012, 14:03

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Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

The main reason we have a twin setup was my missus made me do it, bless her

Can you persuae your wife to give mine a call?

Hang on..... two Clamshells...

Rem · 18 February 2012, 17:22

Hey guys, my boat almost ready from manufacturer. Is the scenario the same if you do surf launches? Sorry just want to be sure that I make the right call.

Portnahaven · 18 February 2012, 22:17

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Originally Posted by willk

Well, if the RIB is an open boat and not too heavily loaded, then somewhere from 6hp up to 10hp, depending on your budget and mounting options. 10hp is running into 35kg+ for a four stroke, as low as 27kg for a 2 stroke. Personally I'd look at a nice secondhand 6HP four stroke. It will probably give you most bang for your buck and be in the lighter range of about 25-28kg. The tank of gas will go further and you can run it off your main with the right kit (assuming your main is 4 stroke). Your stored gas can be used up easily that way. It should move you along at around 5kts?

Guys, 5-6 knots? Less?

I run a 10hp aux. 4 stroke tootsie xl shaft - 4 blade prop (high- thrust?) and i can just get about 5knts top speed. with no tide.

clydeoutboards · 19 February 2012, 09:25

Hi Rem

yes.

money no object 2 engines
99% of us though have a main and an aux and make sure both work before you head out!

have fun

willk · 19 February 2012, 10:24

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Originally Posted by Rem

Is the scenario the same if you do surf launches?

Do you meant the number of engines or the launch technique? I'm confused.

r mcdonald · 19 February 2012, 10:29

REM
I have a 7.7 metre cabin rib. I tried it with 1X 90 tohatsu tldi (mounted in the centre of the transom) it's topspeed was 27kts very lightly loaded. Then when I got another 90 tohatsu tldi it's top speed was 34 kts, now with one motor stopped and tilted out of the water it does 21 kts on the plane with one motor only operating, using the same standard props as when I had one motor. I have since changed to ss props and a finer pitch to get the reeves to max.Since fiiting te rib out some more, it does about 30kts with four divers onboard.I am sure if I had put a single 180hp motor on the rb, it would go much faster.
regards
rpm