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29 April 2007, 00:49
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Country: UK - England
Town: The wilds of Wiltshire
Boat name: Dominator
Make: SR5.4
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Originally Posted by Biggles
But then I doubt the average Aux carried would be any use anyway.
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Yes they are-they provide blokes in highly polished yellow ribs entertainment as they electrocute the user in Southampton Water </hijack >
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29 April 2007, 01:36
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Member
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
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Originally Posted by Nos4r2
Yes they are-they provide blokes in highly polished yellow ribs entertainment as they electrocute the user in Southampton Water </hijack >
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Yes that was bloody funny.
Wasn't too sure if it was your christmas lights and tinsel that were sparkling or you !!!
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29 April 2007, 08:01
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Newport IoW
Boat name: Amean/Pronto/Rumbo
Make: Solent Rib Princess
Length: 7m +
Engine: 200hp Etec 260x 2
MMSI: lots of them
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Originally Posted by Bigmuz7
And your reasons for changing ?
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Not changing still have Solentis with the 150 opti just got a new boat for the school and went for the etec as lighter also was very impressed with the e tec . May upgrade Solentis engine to a 175 Opti at the end of the season.
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30 April 2007, 07:37
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Hi
Ran my Opti for the first time yesterday, i love that sound
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30 April 2007, 08:03
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Reading, Hants
Boat name: Juicy
Make: Sealine F43
Length: 10m +
Engine: 2 x 370hp
MMSI: TBC
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very pleased with the opti, great sound, power and economy and no smoke, given the choice i would go for exactly the same engine
however i love the feature of winterise on the etec, if the opti had that i would be totally made up
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30 April 2007, 11:35
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: emsworth
Boat name: the black stuff
Make: BALLISTIC
Length: 8m +
Engine: 2 x 200hp etec's
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just a thought
today its a current model engine .when you sell it will it be out of date non current model ??
the person that buys it off you might want a current model ?
ask yourself this factor in your desision opti must now be coming up to its 10th year ???
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30 April 2007, 12:50
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Country: UK - England
Town: New Milton
Boat name: Jianna
Make: Osprey
Length: 6m +
Engine: 200 E-TEC
MMSI: 235076954
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Obsolescence is an issue whatever engine you buy. Who is to say that the e-tec will not be phased out in the near future? (and no, I do not know anything!!!). E-tec/Opti, each has its positive features and each has its less desirable aspects. I would choose either over a 4 stroke, but each to his own
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30 April 2007, 12:57
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Country: UK - England
Town: emsworth
Boat name: the black stuff
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e tecs will be here another 8 years min . i m in the know ! on that
just so you know opti is already a harder engine to sell on a s/h boat it can only get harder as years go on
think if two identical boats are bought today one with a opti and one witha 4/s or a etec on the back in three years time do you buy the newer type engine or the older one , now everyone does reserch so in a few years time the gap will be harder to make up and can come to only one thing price .
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30 April 2007, 13:57
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Riva is right if you were going to buy a new TV now you wouldnt buy a black and white one would you why but your money into old technology ?
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30 April 2007, 14:00
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Cowes, Isle of Wight
Boat name: TiLT 2
Make: Avon Adventure 620
Length: 6m +
Engine: Optimax 135
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Originally Posted by RIVA
today its a current model engine .when you sell it will it be out of date non current model ??
the person that buys it off you might want a current model ?
ask yourself this factor in your desision opti must now be coming up to its 10th year ???
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Yes, perhaps a Verado is the way to go now.
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30 April 2007, 14:42
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Unless you buy the opti at the right price, like imported cars a couple of years ago "buy cheap but you have to sell cheap"
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30 April 2007, 18:35
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All things being equal.
So f I bought an Opti 150 at say £6300 inc. and an Etech 150 at £7800inc that's a difference of £1500. In 3 years the Opti will sell for about £4500 and the Etech for about £5500. So in my opinion that's not alot of difference.
Now if Opti's where replaced completely by then, I guess the price might need to be lowered a bit to get it sold, but no more than £1000 tops. So you are only talking of about £800 max difference between the two. Not much over three years in the boating world.
I would say it would be even less on the back of a RIB of the same design.
I think that secondhand Etecs are more expensive because they're a lot rarer.
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01 May 2007, 10:38
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: emsworth
Boat name: the black stuff
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YOU SHOULD START SELLING ENGINES
its not the price diffrance its the speed of selleing ???
if it takes 3 months more to sell a old opti thats £20000 in the bank at %%%
( wich it does )
plus 3 months storage @+++++ and three months more depriciation
o yes and cost of ownership as well but hey the choice is yours .
its just my opinion , if at the start of this it was said you could only afford the opti thats diffrent
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01 May 2007, 15:41
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Town: The wilds of Wiltshire
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So... Quick hijack here. Who sees an opti as old technology and who sees it as proven technology?
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01 May 2007, 16:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nos4r2
So... Quick hijack here. Who sees an opti as old technology and who sees it as proven technology?
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I went down the Optimax route as it is proven and came at the right price I couldn't find much positive feed back on the Etec 6 months ago when i had to decide which way to jump, the feed back I could find mostly from American fishing forums seemed to agree that the Etec's needed more hours before most people would change and I've saved over £2000.00 against the Etec to spend on repairs or to put to the next engine if the opti has to be sold cheap when the time comes, but people may also still want well looked after/serviced Opti's so its a gamble but I may finish somewhere close to even and had loads of
James
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01 May 2007, 18:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RIVA
YOU SHOULD START SELLING ENGINES
its not the price diffrance its the speed of selleing ???
if it takes 3 months more to sell a old opti thats £20000 in the bank at %%%
( wich it does )
plus 3 months storage @+++++ and three months more depriciation
o yes and cost of ownership as well but hey the choice is yours .
its just my opinion , if at the start of this it was said you could only afford the opti thats diffrent
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So I'm in the market for an outboard, PM me with your best price on a 150 etec If you can get it close enough to a Opti you might well have yourself a sale.
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01 May 2007, 20:35
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Mighty Penryn
Boat name: Little Joe.
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Dave, have you ever noticed how many guys on Ribnet 'big-up' what they own. You never hear an 'actually, I wish I'd gone for a different model'. Therefore, it begs the question of just how much 'weight' these opinions carry. Anyway, I own an Opti 150 and probably wouldn't go for another. It's a good engine, reliable, OK on fuel, the price of Opti oil galls me a bit. My reason for not having another would be noise. It's OK blatting around locally, but on a long run it becomes tiresome for those in the rear of the boat. My son took the helm on a return trip from the Scillies last year,I sat behind him on the rear bench. Having not sat back there before I didn't realise how noisy it was. An hour+ of that is hard going. It'll be a hard choice next time.
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01 May 2007, 21:07
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Country: UK - England
Town: Gloucestershire
Boat name: Osprey
Make: Osprey Vipermax
Length: 5m +
Engine: E-tec 300 G2
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I've heard the same said of Etecs.. once under way they are quite noisey, I guess the only way to go for a quiet life is 4 Stroke.
That was certainly what impressed me about the Mercury 90 4 stroke on the XS that I was trained in by Rogue Wave at idle you could not really hear it and at WOT it is still v.quiet.
Chris
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01 May 2007, 21:26
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Originally Posted by Chris1573
I've heard the same said of Etecs.. once under way they are quite noisey, I guess the only way to go for a quiet life is 4 Stroke.
That was certainly what impressed me about the MNercury 90 4 strok on the XS that I was trained in by Rogue Wave at idel you could not really hear it and at WOT it is still v.quiet.
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I ride shotgun in Roycruse's Ribcraft quite often. The 140 Suzuki is incredible at tickover, the tell-tale splash is louder than the engne. At WOT it is isn't as noisy as my Opti but, loud enough if again, near the rear of the boat. What are the Yam 4 strokes like?
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01 May 2007, 22:40
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Country: UK - England
Town: Reading, Hants
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Engine: 2 x 370hp
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Originally Posted by Mollers
Dave, have you ever noticed how many guys on Ribnet 'big-up' what they own. You never hear an 'actually, I wish I'd gone for a different model'. Therefore, it begs the question of just how much 'weight' these opinions carry. Anyway, I own an Opti 150 and probably wouldn't go for another. It's a good engine, reliable, OK on fuel, the price of Opti oil galls me a bit. My reason for not having another would be noise. It's OK blatting around locally, but on a long run it becomes tiresome for those in the rear of the boat. My son took the helm on a return trip from the Scillies last year,I sat behind him on the rear bench. Having not sat back there before I didn't realise how noisy it was. An hour+ of that is hard going. It'll be a hard choice next time.
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well not always
i had a honda 90 for 9 years, was great, reliable, very quite for trolling on the river, but on the sea made a fair bit of noise but no punch compared to a two stroker and hondas seem to have some odd negative view by ribbers for some reason.
probably like a few folks on here i actually quite like the growl and presence of a v6 3 litre 2 stoke! marvellous noise. Not everyones cup of tea but does it for me at around 35-40 the wind noise is far worse than the engine and keira seems quite happy to go to sleep on the back seat 18 inches away from our engine so it cant be that bad!
the opti cant compare to a yam or honda for build quality but it seems to do the job quite nicely and at a very attractive price.
when i choose mine the small block etec was unproven, the 150/175 suz were unproven so i did my research and made my choice, would make the same choice today with no hesitation as long as the price points were similar as before. i saved a lot of ££
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