outboard advice needed

arkamelis · 27 February 2018, 08:01

Hi to all
i know this isn't a rib but i own a 1991 bayliner capri 20' at the moment i don't have an outboard on the boat, but looking into buying one off eBay.the boat originally come with a force 120hp 2 stroke which weighed 128kg. my budget for a outboard isn't good at the moment but theres a chance i could get one off eBay at a affordable pricie thing is the reason why it isn't selling is due to its size its a 150hp 6 cylinder 2stroke and weighs 201kg. my question is could this be used on my boat, also does anyone know what the running cost would be like have any of you members run a 150hp 2 stroke. the outboard in question is a evinrude fitch 1997.
any help and advice appreciated

matata · 27 February 2018, 10:43

I have a Bayliner 20'. It had a Force 120 . It finally expired. It was a great engine with loads of bang for water skiing. Was heavy on the juice. I replaced it with a Honda 90. 30kg heavier. Its no good for water skiing.wakeboarding but we get through about a third of the fuel and no oil. It doesn't sound as nice as the Force either. The heavier Honda changed the trim of the boat completely. Stern down. Originally the starter battery (nearly 20kg)was in the stern. I moved it and rewired it to the bow and the boat sits very well. The Honda is 156kg. I would not put anything heavier on the back. The added advantage was that every time the boat set off with the battery in the stern it got covered with a rush of deck water.Now it stays nice and dry. I put it in the front starboard hatch.Hope that helps.Nik

Davie · 27 February 2018, 12:16

You may need a XL 25" engine for that boat. Measure it before you buy. I know of two with cut down transoms which now flood, dont do that.

beamishken · 27 February 2018, 12:17

A 70kg gain in weight on the transom is quite significant you'd maybe be better off looking for a v4 130 or 140 hp rather than the v6 your looking at
From what matata says it sounds like dropping hp is a none starter as it hampers the performance so much
The force (chrysler) engine was notoriously thirsty for its output so switching to say a v4 yam or OMC in the 115-140hp range you wouldn't use any more fuel and may even use less

matata · 27 February 2018, 16:01

I'd go with Beamishken. 156kg Honda is as heavy as you could get away with on the back. Dream ticket 115 Yam 2 stroke!!!
Feel free if you want any more details. Nik

arkamelis · 27 February 2018, 18:37

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Originally Posted by matata

I have a Bayliner 20'. It had a Force 120 . It finally expired. It was a great engine with loads of bang for water skiing. Was heavy on the juice. I replaced it with a Honda 90. 30kg heavier. Its no good for water skiing.wakeboarding but we get through about a third of the fuel and no oil. It doesn't sound as nice as the Force either. The heavier Honda changed the trim of the boat completely. Stern down. Originally the starter battery (nearly 20kg)was in the stern. I moved it and rewired it to the bow and the boat sits very well. The Honda is 156kg. I would not put anything heavier on the back. The added advantage was that every time the boat set off with the battery in the stern it got covered with a rush of deck water.Now it stays nice and dry. I put it in the front starboard hatch.Hope that helps.Nik

cool which bayliner do you have nik ?
i have since spoken to someone that knows bit about the evinrude fitch and as advised to stay clear of it, apparently they had many faults and the company almost went bankrupt from that outboard the fitch, he did say the newer etec are the ones to go for.
i take it the Honda you now have is 4 stroke hence the weight

arkamelis · 27 February 2018, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davie

You may need a XL 25" engine for that boat. Measure it before you buy. I know of two with cut down transoms which now flood, dont do that.

hi Davie
yes mine is an xl, and still is thankfully

arkamelis · 27 February 2018, 18:52

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Originally Posted by beamishken

A 70kg gain in weight on the transom is quite significant you'd maybe be better off looking for a v4 130 or 140 hp rather than the v6 your looking at
From what matata says it sounds like dropping hp is a none starter as it hampers the performance so much
The force (chrysler) engine was notoriously thirsty for its output so switching to say a v4 yam or OMC in the 115-140hp range you wouldn't use any more fuel and may even use less

Hi beamishken
i have been advised to stay clear of the evinrude fitch 150hp, heavy outboard and very thirsty oh and known for there faults( hence why its going cheap on eBay ), the v4 sounds good, but its finding one with the budget i have and also it needs to be a xl shaft.
the outboard i would really like is the yamaha 115 four stroke (2007) thing is there very expensive second hand looking at around 4k it only weighs an extra 30kg. i will keep looking for something between 115-140

arkamelis · 27 February 2018, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by matata

I'd go with Beamishken. 156kg Honda is as heavy as you could get away with on the back. Dream ticket 115 Yam 2 stroke!!!
Feel free if you want any more details. Nik

thanks matata, i will keep my eyes open, a 115 2stroke sounds perfect

whiskylee · 27 February 2018, 19:43

This any good for you
http://www.boatmad.com/forum/f9/yama...eto-29355.html

whiskylee · 27 February 2018, 19:45

There are a few outboard options on Boatmad
http://www.boatmad.com/forum/f9/2-x-...nes-29338.html

arkamelis · 27 February 2018, 20:25

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Originally Posted by whiskylee

This any good for you
Yamah 130BETO - Boatmad.com

hi whiskylee
it would have been perfect, but its a long shaft, mines a xl shaft

arkamelis · 27 February 2018, 20:41

hi whiskylee
sadly its a long shaft or it would have been perfect, i have taken look at the site boatmad and i have a feeling they look to be more speed boats, if that is the case, chances the transoms will be short/long

whiskylee · 27 February 2018, 20:51

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F183091289883

Wightdiver · 28 February 2018, 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by arkamelis

Hi to all
i know this isn't a rib but i own a 1991 bayliner capri 20' at the moment i don't have an outboard on the boat, but looking into buying one off eBay.the boat originally come with a force 120hp 2 stroke which weighed 128kg. my budget for a outboard isn't good at the moment but theres a chance i could get one off eBay at a affordable pricie thing is the reason why it isn't selling is due to its size its a 150hp 6 cylinder 2stroke and weighs 201kg. my question is could this be used on my boat, also does anyone know what the running cost would be like have any of you members run a 150hp 2 stroke. the outboard in question is a evinrude fitch 1997.
any help and advice appreciated

How about this?
For Sale in Warsash, Hampshire

For the record I run a 150 Yamaha HPDI and average just slightly under 1 lt per mile.

arkamelis · 28 February 2018, 19:35

hi wightdiver
that is actually the outboard in question, thing is the weight and quite a few people have said to stay away from the evinrude fitch models due to high amount of issues they have. this outboard of yours is it 2 or 4 stroke ?

Wightdiver · 01 March 2018, 11:10

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Originally Posted by arkamelis

hi wightdiver
that is actually the outboard in question, thing is the weight and quite a few people have said to stay away from the evinrude fitch models due to high amount of issues they have. this outboard of yours is it 2 or 4 stroke ?

Hi, cannot comment on the actual engine as I have no experience of them, however I bought my engine from them and got a pretty good service. Mine is a 2 stroke.

Good luck

Andy

arkamelis · 04 March 2018, 23:54

Hi again
im going to look at a 1995 yamaha 130 v4 2 stroke this week, think weight wise its 169kg so slightly heaver then the weight of a force 120hp by 41kg, this compared to the evinrude 150 hp i did have my eye on which weigh 70kg more. do you think this would be ok ?, if it suitable does anyone know much about these outboards yamaha 130hp v4 (1995)

whiskylee · 05 March 2018, 07:27

Good solid outboard the 130hp V4 Yamaha, it's on carburettors so simple enough. Check the health of the outboard before buying compression, spark on all 4 cylinders, power trim, gearbox etc. [emoji106]

beamishken · 05 March 2018, 08:01

The 130 and 115 are the same weight so it's probably your best option for a replacement
Pretty reliable engine & as said above do all the usual checks & you should be fine