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21 March 2007, 22:32
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Outboard Servicing
Why does an average outboard need servicing every 100 hours ?
If that was a car it would be in the garage every month. Hardly efficient.
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21 March 2007, 23:34
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because, unlike cars, boat dont have gears,
they have forward neutral and reverse and that it....o and your prop
cars arnt run hard all day long, they cruise along at about 2k revs
boats on the other hand run flat out all day at anything from 4-6k revs
if you put a car engine...say a rover sd1v8 engine into a boat..it wouldnt last 5 mins as marine engines are completely different to cars altho many people dont seem to realise this fact
so thats why they need regular maintenance, expecialy 4 strokes !
the prop is the only way of changing gear by either going up or down a pitch,
under-reving a marine engine will seriousy reduce engine life as they are labouring
dan
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21 March 2007, 23:44
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Country: UK - Scotland
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So why is the that running any other petrol engine at full bung all the time wrecks it ?..
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21 March 2007, 23:47
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Originally Posted by wreck raider
cars arnt run hard all day long, they cruise along at about 2k revs
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Bloody hell mine doesn't.
More like between 3000 and 4000 max.
If I remember what I've been taught with regards driving 2000 revs is the absolute minimum for a car engine and its when you should be considering changing down a gear.
Hope I get caught behind you at 2000 revs on a duel carraigeway. Round town you'd be like driving Miss daisy.
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21 March 2007, 23:49
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By the way why do I have a 10 year old two stroke mower thats never had a service and never had oil in the fuel still running just like new.
Maybe we should get lawn mower engine technology fitted on our boats.
I know its used on super fast go karts.
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22 March 2007, 08:34
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I suppose part of the issue is that if your 2 stroke lawn more broke down in the middle of the lawn... in a force 8... it would be no big deal.
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22 March 2007, 08:58
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Actually, every 100 hours isn't that bad. Look at it this way.
Outboards are run hard-say equivalent of 75-100mph in a car most of the time.
That's equivalent to a service every 7500-10000 miles. Considering the operating conditions that's pretty good.
I'm not going to answer Wreck Raider's point on car engines. I don't want to be seen to be attacking new members! (See, I CAN be nice! )
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22 March 2007, 09:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
I know its used on super fast go karts.
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18,000 plus RPM and 3hour rebuilds on a super fast kart with no gears!
Wreck Raider - I have to say it won't ruin your engine by under revving a marine engine unless it is totally overpropped - just going slowly is fine!
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22 March 2007, 20:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigmuz7
I suppose part of the issue is that if your 2 stroke lawn more broke down in the middle of the lawn... in a force 8... it would be no big deal.
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22 March 2007, 21:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nos4r2
Actually, every 100 hours isn't that bad. Look at it this way.
Outboards are run hard-say equivalent of 75-100mph in a car most of the time.
That's equivalent to a service every 7500-10000 miles. Considering the operating conditions that's pretty good.
I'm not going to answer Wreck Raider's point on car engines. I don't want to be seen to be attacking new members! (See, I CAN be nice! )
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Oh boy, Nos has some common sense( very rare) and is also " a nice guy"
Good post
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22 March 2007, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Limey Linda
Oh boy, Nos has some common sense( very rare) and is also " a nice guy"
Good post
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22 March 2007, 21:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wreck raider
if you put a car engine...say a rover sd1v8 engine into a boat..it wouldnt last 5 mins as marine engines are completely different to cars altho many people dont seem to realise this fact
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Oh really, why is that then? I fitted that same motor into a sportsboat, and it ran fine for 9+years. And what about Chevy V8's, the same motor as used by Mercruiser and Volvo for 20+ years.
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22 March 2007, 21:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nos4r2
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That was a compliment, sorry to ruin your reputaion
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22 March 2007, 23:41
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Country: UK - England
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Engine: 44lbs of thrust....
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
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If I remember what I've been taught with regards driving 2000 revs is the absolute minimum for a car engine and its when you should be considering changing down a gear.
Hope I get caught behind you at 2000 revs on a duel carraigeway. Round town you'd be like driving Miss daisy.
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My (latest) motor's only turning around 2000 RPM at 60 MPH...and it'll sit there all day, quite happily......
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22 March 2007, 23:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler
Oh really, why is that then? I fitted that same motor into a sportsboat, and it ran fine for 9+years. And what about Chevy V8's, the same motor as used by Mercruiser and Volvo for 20+ years.
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Now c'mon, nobba...some of the components are changed... 'cause of all that nasty salt water...
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23 March 2007, 01:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
By the way why do I have a 10 year old two stroke mower thats never had a service and never had oil in the fuel still running just like new.
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Is your mower oil injected?
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23 March 2007, 09:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
By the way why do I have a 10 year old two stroke mower thats never had a service and never had oil in the fuel still running just like new.
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Try dipping half of the mower in the sea and running it on moist salty air. I wonder how long it would last then. It takes a bit of engineering to extract 150/200 hp out of a 2st and keep it reliable. Your mower is a plug and a coil.
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23 March 2007, 09:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler
Oh really, why is that then? I fitted that same motor into a sportsboat, and it ran fine for 9+years. And what about Chevy V8's, the same motor as used by Mercruiser and Volvo for 20+ years.
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Yep, the only difference is that the Mercruiser 5.7 ltr has a mechanical fuel pump run off of the crank and the 350 Chevy has an electronic pump (less sparks). Yamaha use it also. It's a cast-iron monster, as long as it's flushed and well winterised, it'll go on for ever.
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24 March 2007, 10:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
By the way why do I have a 10 year old two stroke mower thats never had a service and never had oil in the fuel still running just like new.
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I dont understand. How can a 2-stroke mower (or any engine for that matter) run without any oil?
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