Outboard winterisation needs fuel stabiliser?

[Eddie@Aspenfuels]

Aspen is a cleaner form of fuel.

It will not "Go off" for 3-5 years


I have spent over 20years working on garden machinery, motorbikes and some outboards and I have had fuel "go off" in my Royal Enfield & Lawnmower.

An engine won't start until you change the fuel.

It gums up the carb.

Fuel is clear when you buy it and as it breaks down it become more and more yellow and will leave a layer of varnish inside your fuel system.

The fuel companies are the one's keeping the quiet and it's the mechanics and engine manufactures who are having the problems.

Kind regards

Eddie

[Ribandmotorhome]

Originally Posted by Eddie@Aspenfuels

Aspen is a cleaner form of fuel.

It is 95 octane same as normal unleaded pump fuel and is available in two types.

Unleaded alternative for all 4-stroke engines.

Premixed 2-stroke for all AIR COOLED 2-stroke engines.

It will not "go off" for 3-5 years.

Look up Aspen fuel for more detailed information.

I have spent over 20years working on garden machinery, motorbikes and some outboards and I have had fuel "go off" in my Royal Enfield & Lawnmower.

An engine won't start until you change the fuel.

It gums up the carb.

Fuel is clear when you buy it and as it breaks down it become more and more yellow and will leave a layer of varnish inside your fuel system.

The fuel companies are the one's keeping the quiet and it's the mechanics and engine manufactures who are having the problems.

Kind regards

Eddie

Oh right. I will look it up.
Never heard of you before.

Had lots of hassle with bio diesel here as its rubbish.

I wouldn't personally buy the ready mixed version only because I will only put quicksilver oil in my outboards.
I have seen many have problems because they have used inferior 2 stroke oils.
(Not saying the Aspen one would be at all. I'm sure it's great) but I prefer to be sure.

I agree fuel does go 'off' and will 'gum' the carbs up.
I'm just disputing the time it takes for it to.
It will last a year easy in my opinion.

And for me taking the carbs off and cleaning them out doesn't take long or much effort, if it needed doing. I would do it myself.
Much cheaper than wasting fuel!!

My guys who are mechanics and build engines etc don't seem to think it's a major issue at all either.

[Eddie@Aspenfuels]

Hi Rib,

You would not be wasting fuel as Aspen will work in your engine just the same.

Please DON'T use Aspen2 in a outboard because it is for AIR COOLED engines.

I agree use your current oil.

Sorry if my posts read like an advert, I am so used writing that way.

There is a product called EcoPar diesel that might be worth a look.

Kind regards

Eddie

[Bern Hanreck]

I'm with Ribs&MH on this.........

I always disconnect the fuel line on the auxillary rather than just switching off , and I always make sure the auxillary tanks is full of fresh fuel at the start of each season .

I have left the main fuel tank full over winter ( no air so less condensation ! ) and emptyish , and never had a problem over the past ten British winters .

Time to consider Trade Membership Eddie ?

[Eddie@Aspenfuels]

Originally Posted by Bern Hanreck

I'm with Ribs&MH on this.........

I always disconnect the fuel line on the auxillary rather than just switching off , and I always make sure the auxillary tanks is full of fresh fuel at the start of each season .

I have left the main fuel tank full over winter ( no air so less condensation ! ) and emptyish , and never had a problem over the past ten British winters .

Time to consider Trade Membership Eddie ?

Hi,

I am waiting to hear back about trade membership and we are happy to sign up.

You will see my log on name is very clear who I am and what I do.

I am not trying to do anything underhand.

Hope I have not upset anyone, it was not my intention to do so.

Please read my post about fuel stored in larger amounts seams to keep better.

I deal with over 200 garden machinery dealers and they are having problems all round the UK.

Kind regards

Eddie

[Ribandmotorhome]

Originally Posted by Eddie@Aspenfuels

Hi Rib,

You would not be wasting fuel as Aspen will work in your engine just the same.

Please DON'T use Aspen2 in a outboard because it is for AIR COOLED engines.

I agree use your current oil.

Sorry if my posts read like an advert, I am so used writing that way.

There is a product called EcoPar diesel that might be worth a look.

Kind regards

Eddie

Lol. I ment wasting it if you drained normal unleaded out for the winter as previously suggested.

Was not meaning anything about Aspen fuels and of course for air cooled. My mistake.

If I keep saying Aspen fuels, do I get advertising royalties?? :-)

[Ribandmotorhome]

Originally Posted by Bern Hanreck

I'm with Ribs&MH on this.........

I always disconnect the fuel line on the auxillary rather than just switching off , and I always make sure the auxillary tanks is full of fresh fuel at the start of each season .

I have left the main fuel tank full over winter ( no air so less condensation ! ) and emptyish , and never had a problem over the past ten British winters .

Time to consider Trade Membership Eddie ?

Wow! Someone agrees with me.
I'm scared now! :-)

[Ribandmotorhome]

Me again! Sorry!

Thinking about it. It's probably more of an issue with later engines.
The probably have smaller jets etc.

All my stuff is 10, 20 years old plus!

So maybe that's the reason I have not had the issue.

[Ribandmotorhome]

Not meaning to open up a hornets nest here but,
I was in a very rural garage today.
I could see that he has had pumps removed and now only has one for unleaded and one for diesel.
I asked how often he needs to refill the tanks.

"Usually we have one delivery of each a year" was the reply

I asked if the fuel lasts ok for a year in his tanks.

"Course it bloody does boy" was the reply.

Just thought I'd share that. :-)

[samt]

At work we have seen a huge increase in fuel related problems, inline with the change in modern fuel. The smaller carbed engines suffer the worse. Maybe in a marine environment theres more moisture for the ethanol to attract into the fuel (I'm not a scientist).

I certainly wouldnt by petrol from a guy who only fills his tank once a year. Maybe theres a reason it takes him a year to sell it...

[Ribandmotorhome]

Originally Posted by samt

At work we have seen a huge increase in fuel related problems, inline with the change in modern fuel. The smaller carbed engines suffer the worse. Maybe in a marine environment theres more moisture for the ethanol to attract into the fuel (I'm not a scientist).

I certainly wouldnt by petrol from a guy who only fills his tank once a year. Maybe theres a reason it takes him a year to sell it...

Yes. I had the same thought.
Mind you he was so in the middle of nowhere and the place looked like it had seen much better times, oh and he wanted 13p a litre more than I usually pay!

As I said before, I haven't had a problem with the fuel at all but all my stuff is 10 to 20 years old but it sits about for ages in between uses!

Do you work with garden machinery?

[Barrowboy]

Originally Posted by Ribandmotorhome

Not meaning to open up a hornets nest here but,
I was in a very rural garage today.
I could see that he has had pumps removed and now only has one for unleaded and one for diesel.
I asked how often he needs to refill the tanks.

"Usually we have one delivery of each a year" was the reply

I asked if the fuel lasts ok for a year in his tanks.

"Course it bloody does boy" was the reply.

Just thought I'd share that. :-)

Fantastic!

It's so heartening to know that this great country can still accomodate the eccentric.

If he had to refill it twice a year, he'd be complaining about being overworked.

I'll have a pint of whatever he's on.

[Ribandmotorhome]

Originally Posted by Barrowboy

Fantastic!

It's so heartening to know that this great country can still accomodate the eccentric.

If he had to refill it twice a year, he'd be complaining about being overworked.

I'll have a pint of whatever he's on.

I know quite a few eccentric's :-)

Those of you who are having regular problems with fuel.
Have you considered using different suppliers.
I have noticed up to a 10mpg difference, on my car, in my fuel consumption dependant on where I fill up.
And sometimes if varies from the same garage!!!
So there must be a difference in the quality from the pump.

[samt]

Originally Posted by Ribandmotorhome

Yes. I had the same thought. Mind you he was so in the middle of nowhere and the place looked like it had seen much better times, oh and he wanted 13p a litre more than I usually pay! As I said before, I haven't had a problem with the fuel at all but all my stuff is 10 to 20 years old but it sits about for ages in between uses! Do you work with garden machinery?

I work with outboards. And must admit there are certain outboards that are worse than others for it. The common story is customers putting the boats away doing nothing to the engines, taking them out a few months later when the sun comes out and getting angry when they don't start and they miss a days boating. Now if they all got them serviced in the winter i wouldn't be stuck doing overtime on the best days of the year, and could be using mine (it got used for 3 days last year).

[Ribandmotorhome]

Originally Posted by samt

I work with outboards. And must admit there are certain outboards that are worse than others for it. The common story is customers putting the boats away doing nothing to the engines, taking them out a few months later when the sun comes out and getting angry when they don't start and they miss a days boating. Now if they all got them serviced in the winter i wouldn't be stuck doing overtime on the best days of the year, and could be using mine (it got used for 3 days last year).

I have a friend like that, his boat is inboard engined but he tows it home end of Sept.
Takes it back down for Easter.
Does nothing to it at all, not even draining the water out the blocks.
He hasn't uncovered it this winter since he bought it back.
Infact it was seized last Easter but I managed to fee it off, just!!!
But he always starts it by tipping fuel straight in the carb after its been stood up, wonder why!! Lol
With mine I dont do anything with the fuel at all. I don't ever disconnect the fuel line from the engine. But I do run it every 3 weeks minimum and do maintain/service it as necessary!
Any problems or potential ones get sorted straight away.

[Eddie@Aspenfuels]

It seams I have started a debate on fuel! Please note the time for fuel to go off is quoted by most small engine manufacturers and not me trying to sell you fuel.

As I said fuel stored in larger quantities seams to keep better and starting the engine every three weeks means the fuel is not sitting in the carb over winter.

I was just suggesting Aspen as a fill and forget fuel for small engines.

Please let us all know if fuel problems are common for marine engines and outboards.

Kind regards

Eddie

[Ribandmotorhome]

Originally Posted by Eddie@Aspenfuels

It seams I have started a debate on fuel! Please note the time for fuel to go off is quoted by most small engine manufacturers and not me trying to sell you fuel.

As I said fuel stored in larger quantities seams to keep better and starting the engine every three weeks means the fuel is not sitting in the carb over winter.

I was just suggesting Aspen as a fill and forget fuel for small engines.

Please let us all know if fuel problems are common for marine engines and outboards.

Kind regards

Eddie

Much appreciated Eddie. Didn't think you were trying to sell fuel.
And I'm not trying to stop or discourage sale of your fuel.

I do start the boat every 3 weeks, however for example yesterday I started up my road roller which has a Suzuki 4 stroke engine fitted. Started first time and ran and drove great!
Been sat in the barn for 11 months untouched!
Ran for 2 hours non stop on the same fuel!

:-) Lol

[mick]

I ran some Aspen fuel through mine in nov so fingers crossed

[Eddie@Aspenfuels]

Originally Posted by mick

I ran some Aspen fuel through mine in nov so fingers crossed

No need to cross your fingers!

It will start.

[Huib1965]

New to ribbing as well.... and advise taken from Blackdog marine....Flushed the engine with muffs and keep upright to let excess water out, Added Quicksilver Quickstor to Fuel, Changed the Gearbox oil and done !.... Read that I should not use fogging oil on my Mariner 4 stroke so wont.....